Personal/Custom Avatars
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Then you will forgive me for the fact that 95% of other gaming communities continue to pay Russians even large gaming corporations continue to pay Russians despite sanctions (especially those in Europe) and yet here we are.
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Because heaven forbid if they paid Turbo2 Pepsi's winnings he "could" find a way to send them to Pepsi.
What have FAForever to do with financial actions of person they paid? This is not FAForever money any more so the Turbo2 can do whatever he want with them
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It would not be hard to establish the causal link that makes FAF complicit in that. The better question is why anybody would care about it to go through the motions of getting it proven in court.
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@noc said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
Then you will forgive me for the fact that 95% of other gaming communities continue to pay Russians even large gaming corporations continue to pay Russians despite sanctions (especially those in Europe) and yet here we are.
Source?
A quick look says the opposite with major companies no longer providing prize winnings to Russian residing players.Eg:
https://www.fortnite.com/competitive/news/fortnite-competitive-update-russia
All the major esports leagues I researched have banned Russian teams from competing and cancelled any events held in Russia.
The closest we get is Team Spirit which was Russian but is now Serbian based.
This is all ignoring the fact that transferring funds to a Russian bank from our Danish one is nearly impossible due to EU's SWIFT ban on Russian banks. Are we forgetting the pain we had (have?) with not being able to access our account in the past? Do we want a repeat of that happening? Even if its only a small chance of happening its not worth risking.
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@ftxcommando said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
the situation above is arbitrary and shouldn’t have happened. Because it’s really just NOC deciding based on his personal vibes that day what is worth a personal avatar.
That's a pretty good description of what happened.
There is a thread in the promo-public channel on discord now that discusses avatar rules. All input is welcome.
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Given there's someone clearly motivated to seeing FAF fail presumably at cost to themselves (the ongoing DDOS attacks), I don't believe the proposition that that FAF could get away with breaching the law because no-one will care.
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@maudlin27 Explain how is it a breach of law? Any law that states that you can't send money to turbo2? This is the presumption of guilty not of the innocence
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I’m not saying FAF should work to breach the law, my solution was still to reserve the funds while providing in kind services as options for people that don’t feel like waiting.
Though I also feel like the “waiting” isn’t really a necessary condition and the transfer of FAF money for a service should be viable for anyone that wins FAF money.
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@lunyshko It's been made clear in previous iterations of this discussion that several people were intending to forward the money to Russian members who otherwise would not be able to receive prize money.
You can argue that such actions fall beyond what the board should be concerned about, but the worry remains that FAF remained possibly liable for such actions nonetheless. Legal advise was sought, but no definitive answer obtained. As such, the board has chosen to err on the side of caution, as it is most important to not jeopardize the FAF project, even if this meant that a handful of Russian players were unable to receive any financial prizes. I'm sure you'll be able to understand that the (perceived) risk involved here does not outweigh the rewards (pun not intended).
This sucks for those players and it's not their fault, but such are the consequences of living in a warmongering state.
Again, all of this has previously been discussed to death, and the conclusions that were reached by the board are unlikely to change. It's time to stop this discussion, if only so that we can return to the issue at hand:
We were discussing on how to deal with avatars, both in the global sense of needing proper guidelines to handle future assignments, as well as the specific sense of how to deal with the custom avatar given out by NOC as a replacement for the tournament prize.
There are efforts made to work out a good set of guidelines, mostly based on the earlier framework by FTX and some current revisions by Fichom. Further input on this is very welcome, please see the relevant discord channel.
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Yes, lets risk the entire FAF project for a few measly bucks. Great idea lads.
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@blackyps said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
@ftxcommando said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
the situation above is arbitrary and shouldn’t have happened. Because it’s really just NOC deciding based on his personal vibes that day what is worth a personal avatar.
That's a pretty good description of what happened.
There is a thread in the promo-public channel on discord now that discusses avatar rules. All input is welcome.
I don’t think so. I put equivalent if not more fault on the Board for making a terrible ruling to save themselves a little bit of duress which in turn put NOC in a totally losing situation where he tried to give some sort of compensation. Only problem on NOC’s end was not working out the details.
Little bit of a false dichotomy going on with this “net good vs net evil” when the whole situation exists because a ledger of reserved, illiquid funds is too much work for those few players. It’s really more like the needs of those few players isn’t worth a single hour a week of time of like 1 of 7 different Board members, which is a big deal for NOC’s position.
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The total unpaid tournament winnings are $150 to ZLO, $75 to Espi and Lunyshko, $30 to Robogear? Or who else did not get money?
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malding so hard rn, i want pixels next to my name too
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With the help of Spikey I have compiled a table of all 201 current avatars. The categories are my personal best guess and aren't meant to be taken as fact, since they aren't formally categorized in any way.
Post cut in half because of character limit
Tournament Contributor Personal Other 1 TMM Gold Champion 1 FAF Donator Looking Down ACU sniper 2 TMM Gold Champion 2 Moderator Pizza ! Seraphim 3 TMM Silver Champion 1 I'm a FAF caster Sin.. Cybran 4 TMM Silver Champion 2 Mod Author Grrrrr ! Aeon 5 IMBA Cup Champion Map Author Voodoo personal avatar UEF 6 IMBA Cup Finalist Tournament Director Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Unive Brackman 7 King of Open Palms Galactic War Donator The Boot Cool Princess 8 Prince Of Open Palms Personal Trainer Masters Of The Universe Liberate ! 9 Tournament winner Theme Creator I'm watching you! Cleanse ! 10 King of Seraphim FAF Wiki Editor The Voice of Reason Unite ! 11 Blitz Champion I'm a FAF streamer Fluffy Tails Destroy ! 12 2vs2 Tournament Champion Stack Wizard speed2's avatar Strategic Genius 13 King of UEF Trainer Team Lead LTT Son of Shagrat 14 Tournament Champion Balance Team Lead Phoenix President Riley 15 King of Cybran Game Team Lead Espiranto Personal Compensation Cool Seth-Iavow 16 LABwars Champion Creative Team Lead Cool Brackman 17 King of Setons Clutch Moderation Team Lead Cool Clarke 18 Tournament Participant Community Manager Son of Shagrat xmas 19 Winner of Hearts Promotions Team Lead Happy Holidays ! 20 King of Aeon DevOps Team Lead Princess Rhianne Burke 21 Nomads Tournament Champion Game Code Tester Core for ever! 22 Clan War Challenger FAF Moderator Cool Riley 23 Clan War Champion FAF Developer Dostya 24 The Galaxy Cup Champion ICE Tester Rhiza 25 2V2 WWPC U3400 Champion M like moderator Zan-Aishahesh 26 Prime Commander Finalist FAF Discord Administrator Seth-Iavow 27 Survival Champion Grand Sculptor Ladder Warrior 28 Average Joes Champion Tournament Donator Kael 29 Prince of Aeon Patreon Donator Ultimate Assimilator 30 Prince of Cybran Content Creator I'm a special snowflake! 31 Holy Trinity Winner Patreon T3 I'm special 32 Prince of Seraphim Patreon T4 Nomads 33 Eco Emperor Campaign Team Lead Vendetta 34 3v3 Spring Champion Moderator (2023) Galactic Conqueror 35 Minons and Legends winner Moderator (2023) red Puppetmaster 36 2v2 Fixed In Equilibrium FAF Live Team Nomads 37 3v3 Summer Champion BalanceTeam ARM 38 3v3 Trident Of Power CreativeTeam CORE 39 LotS Qualifier Champion GameDevTeam Ladder Knight 40 Heart of Black Champion DevOpsTeam Warrior of TMM -
Tournament Contributor Personal Other 41 King of Astrocrater CampaignTeam Veteran of TMM 42 Rebalance Tournament Champion MatchmakingTeam King of TMM 43 2v2 Masters Cup TournamentTeam Clairvoyant 44 Bronze Musketeer ModerationTeam King of Silver 45 Silver Musketeer PromoTeam King of Gold 46 Golden Musketeer TrainerTeam King of Diamond 47 FAF 2019 Champion Ladder Autumn Gold 48 Coffin Tourney Champion Ladder Autumn Grandmaster 49 Summer Invitational Champion Ladder Autumn Master 50 Summer Invitational Finalist Ladder Summer Grandmaster 51 Summer Invitational Qualifier Champion Ladder Summer Master 52 King of Dual Gap Ladder Summer Diamond 53 Nomads Winner Ladder Summer Gold 54 Fall Invitational Qualifier Winner CaveDog 55 Fall Invitational Champion Veteran FAFer 56 MapGen Tourney Winner PrinceOfTMM 57 Rainbow Cup III Champion Nightmare 58 The Darkest Heart 59 Spring Invitational Qualifier Champion 60 Spring Invitational Champion 61 Computer Cup Champion 62 FAF Champion 2021 63 2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2021 64 3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2021 65 4th Place Legend of the Stars 2021 66 RC IV Champion 67 Seton's champion 68 Seton's fighter 69 cringe tournament winner 70 Mario Brother 71 Luigi Brother 72 Cringe Tournament III Champion 73 Rainbow Cup V Champion 74 FAF World Champion 2022 75 2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2022 76 3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2022 77 4th Place Legend of the Stars 2022 78 Rainbow Cup VI Champion 79 FAFbetaTourney 80 LOTS 2023 1st 81 LOTS 2023 2nd 82 LOTS 2023 3rd 83 LOTS 2023 4th Of these 201 avatars there are 35 which are currently not assigned to anybody.
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uh guys, who took nightmare away from me and kept it in the vault
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@balanceslave said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
uh guys, who took nightmare away from me and kept it in the vault
Discussed in pms, almost certainly because of the avatar deletion bug
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Guys deribus is a good guy. Please be nicer to him.
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Um there is more than 201. Considering when I login to mod client and look there is around 400+
I retract this guessing the avatar bug wiped half of them.
So originally 442 were there, now some are missing
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