Personal/Custom Avatars

@maudlin27 Explain how is it a breach of law? Any law that states that you can't send money to turbo2? This is the presumption of guilty not of the innocence

I’m not saying FAF should work to breach the law, my solution was still to reserve the funds while providing in kind services as options for people that don’t feel like waiting.

Though I also feel like the “waiting” isn’t really a necessary condition and the transfer of FAF money for a service should be viable for anyone that wins FAF money.

@lunyshko It's been made clear in previous iterations of this discussion that several people were intending to forward the money to Russian members who otherwise would not be able to receive prize money.

You can argue that such actions fall beyond what the board should be concerned about, but the worry remains that FAF remained possibly liable for such actions nonetheless. Legal advise was sought, but no definitive answer obtained. As such, the board has chosen to err on the side of caution, as it is most important to not jeopardize the FAF project, even if this meant that a handful of Russian players were unable to receive any financial prizes. I'm sure you'll be able to understand that the (perceived) risk involved here does not outweigh the rewards (pun not intended).

This sucks for those players and it's not their fault, but such are the consequences of living in a warmongering state.

Again, all of this has previously been discussed to death, and the conclusions that were reached by the board are unlikely to change. It's time to stop this discussion, if only so that we can return to the issue at hand:

We were discussing on how to deal with avatars, both in the global sense of needing proper guidelines to handle future assignments, as well as the specific sense of how to deal with the custom avatar given out by NOC as a replacement for the tournament prize.

There are efforts made to work out a good set of guidelines, mostly based on the earlier framework by FTX and some current revisions by Fichom. Further input on this is very welcome, please see the relevant discord channel.

Yes, lets risk the entire FAF project for a few measly bucks. Great idea lads.

@blackyps said in Personal/Custom Avatars:

@ftxcommando said in Personal/Custom Avatars:

the situation above is arbitrary and shouldn’t have happened. Because it’s really just NOC deciding based on his personal vibes that day what is worth a personal avatar.

That's a pretty good description of what happened.

There is a thread in the promo-public channel on discord now that discusses avatar rules. All input is welcome.

I don’t think so. I put equivalent if not more fault on the Board for making a terrible ruling to save themselves a little bit of duress which in turn put NOC in a totally losing situation where he tried to give some sort of compensation. Only problem on NOC’s end was not working out the details.

Little bit of a false dichotomy going on with this “net good vs net evil” when the whole situation exists because a ledger of reserved, illiquid funds is too much work for those few players. It’s really more like the needs of those few players isn’t worth a single hour a week of time of like 1 of 7 different Board members, which is a big deal for NOC’s position.

The total unpaid tournament winnings are $150 to ZLO, $75 to Espi and Lunyshko, $30 to Robogear? Or who else did not get money?

malding so hard rn, i want pixels next to my name too

With the help of Spikey I have compiled a table of all 201 current avatars. The categories are my personal best guess and aren't meant to be taken as fact, since they aren't formally categorized in any way.

Post cut in half because of character limit

	Tournament	Contributor	Personal	Other
1	TMM Gold Champion 1	FAF Donator	Looking Down	ACU sniper
2	TMM Gold Champion 2	Moderator	Pizza !	Seraphim
3	TMM Silver Champion 1	I'm a FAF caster	Sin..	Cybran
4	TMM Silver Champion 2	Mod Author	Grrrrr !	Aeon
5	IMBA Cup Champion	Map Author	Voodoo personal avatar	UEF
6	IMBA Cup Finalist	Tournament Director	Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Unive	Brackman
7	King of Open Palms	Galactic War Donator	The Boot	Cool Princess
8	Prince Of Open Palms	Personal Trainer	Masters Of The Universe	Liberate !
9	Tournament winner	Theme Creator	I'm watching you!	Cleanse !
10	King of Seraphim	FAF Wiki Editor	The Voice of Reason	Unite !
11	Blitz Champion	I'm a FAF streamer	Fluffy Tails	Destroy !
12	2vs2 Tournament Champion	Stack Wizard	speed2's avatar	Strategic Genius
13	King of UEF	Trainer Team Lead	LTT	Son of Shagrat
14	Tournament Champion	Balance Team Lead	Phoenix	President Riley
15	King of Cybran	Game Team Lead	Espiranto Personal Compensation	Cool Seth-Iavow
16	LABwars Champion	Creative Team Lead		Cool Brackman
17	King of Setons Clutch	Moderation Team Lead		Cool Clarke
18	Tournament Participant	Community Manager		Son of Shagrat xmas
19	Winner of Hearts	Promotions Team Lead		Happy Holidays !
20	King of Aeon	DevOps Team Lead		Princess Rhianne Burke
21	Nomads Tournament Champion	Game Code Tester		Core for ever!
22	Clan War Challenger	FAF Moderator		Cool Riley
23	Clan War Champion	FAF Developer		Dostya
24	The Galaxy Cup Champion	ICE Tester		Rhiza
25	2V2 WWPC U3400 Champion	M like moderator		Zan-Aishahesh
26	Prime Commander Finalist	FAF Discord Administrator		Seth-Iavow
27	Survival Champion	Grand Sculptor		Ladder Warrior
28	Average Joes Champion	Tournament Donator		Kael
29	Prince of Aeon	Patreon Donator		Ultimate Assimilator
30	Prince of Cybran	Content Creator		I'm a special snowflake!
31	Holy Trinity Winner	Patreon T3		I'm special
32	Prince of Seraphim	Patreon T4		Nomads
33	Eco Emperor	Campaign Team Lead		Vendetta
34	3v3 Spring Champion	Moderator (2023)		Galactic Conqueror
35	Minons and Legends winner	Moderator (2023) red		Puppetmaster
36	2v2 Fixed In Equilibrium	FAF Live Team		Nomads
37	3v3 Summer Champion	BalanceTeam		ARM
38	3v3 Trident Of Power	CreativeTeam		CORE
39	LotS Qualifier Champion	GameDevTeam		Ladder Knight
40	Heart of Black Champion	DevOpsTeam		Warrior of TMM

	Tournament	Contributor	Personal	Other
41	King of Astrocrater	CampaignTeam		Veteran of TMM
42	Rebalance Tournament Champion	MatchmakingTeam		King of TMM
43	2v2 Masters Cup	TournamentTeam		Clairvoyant
44	Bronze Musketeer	ModerationTeam		King of Silver
45	Silver Musketeer	PromoTeam		King of Gold
46	Golden Musketeer	TrainerTeam		King of Diamond
47	FAF 2019 Champion			Ladder Autumn Gold
48	Coffin Tourney Champion			Ladder Autumn Grandmaster
49	Summer Invitational Champion			Ladder Autumn Master
50	Summer Invitational Finalist			Ladder Summer Grandmaster
51	Summer Invitational Qualifier Champion			Ladder Summer Master
52	King of Dual Gap			Ladder Summer Diamond
53	Nomads Winner			Ladder Summer Gold
54	Fall Invitational Qualifier Winner			CaveDog
55	Fall Invitational Champion			Veteran FAFer
56	MapGen Tourney Winner			PrinceOfTMM
57	Rainbow Cup III Champion			Nightmare
58	The Darkest Heart
59	Spring Invitational Qualifier Champion
60	Spring Invitational Champion
61	Computer Cup Champion
62	FAF Champion 2021
63	2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2021
64	3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2021
65	4th Place Legend of the Stars 2021
66	RC IV Champion
67	Seton's champion
68	Seton's fighter
69	cringe tournament winner
70	Mario Brother
71	Luigi Brother
72	Cringe Tournament III Champion
73	Rainbow Cup V Champion
74	FAF World Champion 2022
75	2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2022
76	3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2022
77	4th Place Legend of the Stars 2022
78	Rainbow Cup VI Champion
79	FAFbetaTourney
80	LOTS 2023 1st
81	LOTS 2023 2nd
82	LOTS 2023 3rd
83	LOTS 2023 4th

Of these 201 avatars there are 35 which are currently not assigned to anybody.

uh guys, who took nightmare away from me and kept it in the vault

@balanceslave said in Personal/Custom Avatars:

uh guys, who took nightmare away from me and kept it in the vault

Discussed in pms, almost certainly because of the avatar deletion bug

Guys deribus is a good guy. Please be nicer to him.

Um there is more than 201. Considering when I login to mod client and look there is around 400+

I retract this guessing the avatar bug wiped half of them.

So originally 442 were there, now some are missing

The avatar ID increments every time an avatar is uploaded. Yes, the highest avatar ID reached is 442, but that includes avatars that were reuploaded, changed, removed for other reasons, etc. This does not mean that more than half of all avatars have been wiped by the bug.

If there are avatars in this list that I or others have a right to. Is there someone I can appeal to?

Avatar drops lets gooo!

@stormlantern Yeah if you ping me on discord with what you should have I can add it to my list to do at some point

Why can't we all get custom avatars of our choosing? What's the big deal. This would be nothing but a plus for FAF

We are all suffering so that you won't get one. Tis sad but true.