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SUGGESTION: AEON T2 Shield Generator Fix

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    Saver
    last edited by 26 days ago

    a small update for AI support ^^

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      Saver
      last edited by 25 days ago

      One more small point: I moved the wings a bit further apart in T2 mode. I think it looks a bit better that way.
      image.png I'm still tinkering with the script, but if anyone wants to help me, I'd be happy to hear it. The current problem is that the script, when moving in T2 mode, affects the movement to T3. I need an add-on that stops the orb's rotation in the middle. As a precaution, I've already integrated this movement into the new animation.

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        Saver
        last edited by 25 days ago

        --- UpgradingState = State(AShieldStructureUnit.UpgradingState) {
        --- Main = function(self)
        --- AShieldStructureUnit.UpgradingState.Main(self)
        --- self.OrbManip1:SetTargetSpeed(0)
        --- self.OrbManip2:SetTargetSpeed(0)
        --- self.OrbManip1:SetSpinDown(true)
        --- self.OrbManip2:SetSpinDown(true)
        --- end,
        --- },

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          Saver
          last edited by Saver 24 days ago

          Hello everyone, I have now uploaded the latest update of the mod # AEON T2 to T3 Shield. I had to solve the problem with the orb egging in a different way, as I thought. But I am satisfied with the result. The animation and the structure now correspond to other T3 shields. But who am I. If you like this function, you are welcome to test it and give a little feedback here. I wish you a lot of fun with it and hope to have come close to the purpose. Greetings SAVER

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            Deribus Global Moderator
            last edited by 24 days ago

            ShieldUpgrade.webp
            Here's a (very compressed) video of @Saver's modded animation, just for visibility.

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              Saver
              last edited by 24 days ago

              That's better, thanks

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                Deribus Global Moderator
                last edited by 24 days ago

                Personally I don't like the 4 "petal" T2 shield generator model. Would it be possible to have an additional set of petals come out of the first?

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                  Jip @Deribus
                  last edited by 24 days ago

                  @Deribus said in SUGGESTION: AEON T2 Shield Generator Fix:

                  Personally I don't like the 4 "petal" T2 shield generator model. Would it be possible to have an additional set of petals come out of the first?

                  Other structures (looking at you, factories) hide 'additional' mesh information for the upgrade underground. You can't do that here for things that are up in the sky.

                  The current shield generator:

                  c2e42db5-0830-4968-be62-e0c0f713d839-image.png

                  The new shield generator, next to its upgraded counterpart.

                  803b97a7-82c7-44cf-9a3e-3417fe47e7f3-image.png

                  I feel like it having two 'petals' at the top is important for the silhouette (looking at hq rework discussions, I learned). But based on how animations work, you can't scale them into existence or something like that. All you have is rotation and translation.

                  Top petals

                  Direction 1

                  About the top petals. Move the top petals on top of each other. Then hide the bones Arm_03 and Arm_01 recursively. That way it looks like the original model:

                  590bae5c-546e-4a0f-a64e-260623233654-image.png

                  Then the first thing you do when you start upgrading is unhide the petals and move them to the right position. This way the time it 'overlaps' is minimal. And the original base model looks the same.

                  Now, this type of upgrade animation where we 'duplicate' the mesh is unusual. I don't think any other structure does this. It may feel out of place because of it.

                  Direction 2

                  This is based on how the animation of the Seraphim shields work. We could create a 'puddle' at the core of the base of the shield to create the new shield. Somehow, seraphim units manage to apply the build shader to only the upgraded parts. I'm not sure how that happens, but if we can reproduce that then we can re-use the build shader for the Aeon unit to scale the new 'top part' from small to large. Just like we do with regular structures.

                  This direction requires additional investigation.

                  Bottom petals

                  Move the bottom petals underground. During the animation you can make them move up from the ground. And as they do that, they start pushing the structure 'up' as they get into position. Hiding mesh below the ground is applied by a lot of animations of structures. The benefit is that the base of the model is then essentially unchanged to the original model, until you start upgrading of course.

                  With all of that said, thank you for your time on this. You took the extra step. Not only did you make the animation, you also took the time and effort to make it compatible with AIs.

                  A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                    Saver
                    last edited by 23 days ago

                    @Jip @Deribus :Thank you for your feedback and constructive suggestions.

                    I will gladly continue my efforts to create a more suitable approach in the basic form. To make sure which version is more popular with most people, I will present the other versions in the mod as a new unit. If we decide on a favorite, I will remove the other versions from the mod. If you also want to work on the mod, I will gladly give you my approval. However, please do not fill the mod vault with unnecessary variants. Maybe you can integrate a new model, similar to my approach, as a new unit in the existing mod.

                    PS: Other ideas are welcome 🙂

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                      Dorset
                      last edited by 23 days ago

                      This thread is an incredible example of how the community can work together to solve problems and make FAF better. Well done everyone involved with a special shout out to Saver for bringing it home.

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                        Nomander
                        last edited by 23 days ago

                        The clipping on the T2 shield bottom petals is a bit much. My idea was that they could pivot in the same place where they're attached for the T3 shield to raise the T2 shield as it upgrades. But that would make the T2 shield look quite busy, so hiding them underground and then creating a small Aeon build effect (fun fact it's called a mercury pool) for the petals to come out of would be better.

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                          Saver @Nomander
                          last edited by 23 days ago

                          @Nomander I'm tinkering with this thought poetry right now. However, I don't know whether I can get the construction effect of the Aeon to the unit (Silver Sea). Unfortunately, I have already tried this in vain with another unit without success.

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                            Jip @Saver
                            last edited by 23 days ago

                            @Saver said in SUGGESTION: AEON T2 Shield Generator Fix:

                            @Nomander I'm tinkering with this thought poetry right now. However, I don't know whether I can get the construction effect of the Aeon to the unit (Silver Sea). Unfortunately, I have already tried this in vain with another unit without success.

                            Reach out to us in Discord, it is easier to discuss the details there.

                            A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                              Saver
                              last edited by 21 days ago

                              Hello everyone,

                              I have been able to create two new versions in the last two days, in addition to the holidays. These are, as announced, contained in the same mod.

                              1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg 5.jpg 6.jpg 7.jpg 8.jpg 9.jpg

                              Unfortunately, I have not yet learned to create small videos for the versions. But I hope the pictures give you a little incentive to test the version.
                              I would be happy to get an evaluation from you. I hope that a version can be determined by a vote, which might also be included in the game.
                              An update was uploaded to FAF.

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                                Jip
                                last edited by 21 days ago

                                I've quickly reviewed it for you - huge fan of #3 (on the right). I'll give some more details later this week.

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                                  Jdizzle
                                  last edited by 20 days ago

                                  #3 is the best i think

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                                    Blackrobe
                                    last edited by 20 days ago

                                    Thanks for the effort in doing this Saver. I'm with the other guys on #3

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                                      Uveso
                                      last edited by 20 days ago

                                      yeah number 3 looks best.

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                                        Laso
                                        last edited by 19 days ago

                                        #3

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                                          CDRMV
                                          last edited by CDRMV 18 days ago

                                          Personally I like Variant 1 and 3 tbh.

                                          1. Traditional Upgrade Appearence similar like UEF and Cybran.
                                          2. Unique Appearence, which looks really inspired by the Seraphim Shield Upgrade. Nice choice.
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