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Balance Patch 3750 - Feedback

A new balance patch has been released on the 28th of January. You can see the full changelog here

If you have any feedback regarding the changes made, you want to share your experience playing on the new patch, or if you have found any bugs you can post about it here.

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Balance Patch 3750 changelog

A balance patch has been released yesterday on the 28th of January. It includes many small tweaks, reworks of existing units and adds an exiting new feature - the Specific Target Priorities. Below you can find the full changelog with all of the changes and reasoning behind them.

We hope you enjoy this new patch,
Balance Team


Changelog:


Land


T2 Land

T2 land is much slower than T1 and T3 which doesn't allow it to adequately cover the map, raid, and defend against attacks, especially on bigger maps. The meta in team games is to generally either completely skip T2 or go all in. These changes hope to make T2 more viable in team games and 1vs1. Another advantage in increasing the MS of T2 land is how they will interact with Rambo ACUs, especially in 1vs1. Currently, Rambo ACUs are extremely strong and even if you have more army value it's very difficult to press your advantage since if you are the one engaging the enemy gets at least 2-3 OCs for free. With the MS changes it should allow the player with more army to more easily punish the opponent for miss positioning their ACU or being overly aggressive/borderline suicidal.

Increase of 0.1 Movement Speed to all Flaks, MMLs, Range Bots, and Main battle tanks.

Rhino gets a buff of 0.2 (and so does Cybran flak) as it's currently comparatively weak to its T2 counterparts and Cybran needs a buff during its T2 stage.

Hover tanks don't get a movement speed increase as they are already very fast and we don't feel like this change is necessary for them. Perhaps they will get some other small tweaks next patch.

Asylum (Aeon T2 mobile shield)

  • EnergyMaintenanceCost: 45 > 55

Aeon t2 land has become arguably the best with a combination of powerful tanks, cheap shields, and the strongest ACU. This minor nerf aims at reducing the strength a little bit.

Titan and Loyalist

  • BuildTime: 2160 > 2400

The Titan and Loyalist build-time buffs from patch 3725 are reverted to make it harder to snowball out of control with a T3 land rush.

Titan

  • HP 2600 > 2400

Loyalist

  • The Loyalist's ability will no longer disable weapons and the charge will kick in 1 second faster

After T3 rebalance Titans with their fast recharging shields became a bit too oppressive and they are currently stronger than loyalists. A small HP nerf should put the unit in the right place while not taking away from its specialty of constantly dashing in and out and letting its shield recharge.
Loyalists' ability has been underwhelming and thus it's getting a well-deserved buff, we hope this will be enough to make mixing in Loyalists in your army in later stages a more viable option instead of being a gimmick that is rarely used.

Sniper bots

Sniper bots get an overall nerf to make it harder to snowball out of control. With the energy cost nerf specifically we aim at delaying the first few snipers from hitting the field immediately after a player gets T3 Land.

Usha-Ah

  • Mass Cost: 880 > 960
  • Energy Cost: 9700 > 15.360
  • BuildTime: 4500 > 5400

The snipe mode icon is changed to make the difference between the snipe mode and normal mode easier to see.

Sprite Striker

  • Mass Cost: 800 > 880
  • Energy Cost: 8900 > 14.080
  • BuildTime: 4500 > 4950

Air


Air Experimentals

Air experimentals were always extremely cheap in energy cost compared to t3 air. This led to the ability to build air t4’s without any power setup like is required for t3 air and thus became a relatively cheesy way to win games. With this change, the e cost is more streamlined with t3 air.

We also reduce the crash damage of air T4s. Their ability to kill heavily shielded targets by simply dying and hitting them provided the defending player with little counter-play. They still deal a considerable amount of damage to not break the immersion of the game but these values will be further reduced if deemed necessary.

Ahwassa

  • Energy Cost: 780.000 > 1.920.000
  • DamageRadius: 20 > 19
  • Crash damage 10.000 > 7000

In addition to the energy cost nerf the ahwassa gets a small nerf to its AoE considering its dominance compared to the other air T4s.

CZAR

  • Energy Cost: 731.250 > 1.530.000
  • Crash damage 10.000 > 7000

Soulripper

  • Energy Cost: 480.000 > 952.000
  • Crash damage 7000 > 5000

SoulRipper Mini-rework:

A decrease of roughly 15% across the board. The goal is to make the SR a more viable option and further establish it as the value over time air experimental. With the lower cost, it will be easier for the player to justify investing in the SR
and slowly leverage a small-medium advantage he had in the air.

In addition to the stat changes we also increase the movement speed by 1 and give it 75 hp regen per second.

HP: 90.000 > 75.000
Regen Rate: 0 > 75
Mass Cost: 34.000 > 29.000
Energy Cost: 952.000 > 812000
BuiltTime: 56.250 > 48.000
DPS: 1535 > 1368.3

The decrease in hp is slightly larger than the decrease in DPS meaning the SR will be a bit less tanky but will pack a bigger punch relative to its cost.

Strategic Bombers

All strategic bombers have their elevation reduced. This will make them easier to hit by non-homing AA which should greatly increase the effectiveness of T1 AA and T2 Flak (although that will now hit rarely instead of never) which should make the early strats a lot less oppressive since now every play will be able to build a unit that will at least partially counter the strat.

  • Elevation: 20 > 14

T3 UEF Air

Added jamming for Spy Planes and Strategic Bombers allowing for more counter-intel capabilities. The scouts will have their jamming on by default and for free while the Strats will have theirs off by default and it will cost 25e/s to run (same as the T3 gunship). These changes should allow UEF air players to trick their opponents by including Air scouts in their mix and artificially inflating the size of their ASF cloud. It will also make the Air scouts harder to shoot down by static AA/ASF and buff unscouted strat runs.

T2 Air crash damage

Notha

For some reason Notha had different crash damage than other T2 Fighter bombers

  • Crash damage 25 > 200

T2 Transports

T2 transports had lower crash damage than T1 (100). These changes will also nerf arty drops since now if the transports die and land on top of them it will kill all of the arties.

  • Crash damage 25 > 250

Navy


For a long time, Aeon frigates were absolute garbage while their Destro's were insanely good while Cybran had the exact opposite with OP frigate and weak destroyer. These changes redistribute the power of those factions while retaining the units' unique traits and further enhancing them by adjusting the ranges of the frigate. We hope it will also introduce more micro potential in frigate fights, especially with Cybran vs Aeon.

Bulwark gets a mini-rework to establish it as a T2 support vessel instead of a unit that is mainly used during the T3 stage with Battlecruisers and Battleships. This should help UEF's notoriously weak T2 stage while making their T3 one less oppressive.

However, with the changes to Bulwark UEF Battleships are left out to dry. We are making them slightly less clunky so that hopefully they can dodge at least some shot if you micro them.

Tempest has been very powerful for a long time and it's getting a well-deserved nerf. It will cost a bit more, and you will need more BP/infrastructure ready to build one. It won't be able to act like a quick mass dump after spamming destroyers and skipping T3 Navy completely.

Frigates


Aeon

  • Mass Cost: 290 > 280
  • Energy Cost: 2900 > 2800
  • Built Time: 1450 > 1400
  • Range: 31 > 33

Cybran

  • Mass Cost: 250> 260
  • Energy Cost: 2500> 2600
  • Built Time: 1250> 1300
  • Range: 28 > 26

Destroyers


UEF

The valiant has always been one of the weakest destroyers. With this change, we hope to give it more of a tank role that fights at a short range.

  • HP: 7200 > 8000

Cybran

Salem has always been extremely squishy compared to other destroyers. It will still have the least hp but will now be able to survive a few more shots.
The TurretYawRange of salems is again slightly increased to improve the handling and micro potential.

  • HP: 6050 > 6500
  • TurretYawRange: 140 > 145

Aeon

Exodus was one of the 2 higher-range destroyers yet it had the highest HP of all. This was necessary due to how weak the Aeon frigate was but this kind of balance made Aeon really bad at T1 and extremely oppressive at T2 where they spammed destroyers only. With the buffs to their frigate, we can finally tune down Exodus a bit. We are reducing its HP to punish Aeon players for letting their destroyers get into range of their enemy and reducing the max range down to 70 to allow shorter-range destroyers to get into range more easily. This will also mean that the Cybran destroyer will now outrange the Exodus and thus have some edge over them.

  • HP: 7500 > 7200
  • Range: 80 > 70

Bulwark Mini-rework


Decrease of roughly 1/3 in the stats to allow UEF players to get them out during the T2 stage to support their navy without having to worry about having fewer destroyers and dying immediately to an enemy push.

  • Mass Cost: 1300 > 900
  • Energy Cost: 13.000 > 9000
  • Build Time: 5200 > 3600
  • Maintenance Cost: 150 e/s > 100 e/s
  • HP of the unit: 750 > 550
  • Shield HP: 8000 > 5500
  • Shield Recharge Time: 40 > 30

Battleships


UEF

With the changes to the bulwark Summit will struggle against the other Battleships since it's the slowest one by far and is not able to dodge shots. It used to rely on Shield Boats to just tank all of that damage but that won't work to such a degree anymore. We are increasing its Movement Speed and Turn Rate slightly to make it less clunky and allow UEF players to micro their Battleships

  • Movement Speed: 2.5 > 2.75
  • Turn Rate: 25 > 27.5

Acceleration and Break speed were adjusted accordingly

Experimentals


Tempest

Tempest is an extremely powerful unit in the right hands. It was a common sight to see them with 20k+ mass killed while the Battleships had < 5k. With a relatively cheap mass cost and especially build time cost it was easy to rush with an ACU/T3 engineer and some T1 BP. If micro'ed properly enemy could never kill one without fully committing to a naval engagement thus allowing Tempests to gain a lot of value over time. These changes will hopefully make the unit more balance and force the Aeon players to have more BP in order to build a tempest.

  • Mass Cost: 22.000 > 24.000
  • Build Time: 28.800 > 38.400

Engineers


Engineer pathfinding is one of the most frustrating things in FAF. With the changes to their Turn rate, Back up distance, and Acceleration/Deaccelaration we hope to finally alleviate those issues. These changes will also make engineers more micro'able, especially in the early stages of the game eg. vs T1 bombers. If you want to read more take a look at this PR that Jip made.

We are also buffing the efficiency of higher-tech engineers. They will now get more bp while having the same cost.

  • T1 engineers 10.4 mass/bp
  • T2 engineers 10 mass/bp
  • T3 engineers 9.6 mass/bp

Sparky (UEF T2 Field Engineer)

  • Allow Sparkies to build intelligence structures(radars, sonars, stealth generators)
  • Allow Sparkies to build T1 factories

This small buff should make Sparkies easier and nicer to use by not requiring players to find the nearest T1 engineer on the frontline to construct a radar or a factory. We hope these changes will encourage more aggressive usage of the Sparky on the frontlines and in drops.

Buildings


Hives & Kennels

Hives have been the dominant engineer station forever now, they have many advantages over Kennels and are extremely dominant in the super-late game. These changes are meant to bring the Hives more in line with the Kennels without making them a non-viable option if you quickly want some concentrated, albeit less efficient, bp in your base in the mid to early late-game. Hives will now get less efficient the higher tech of the Hive you get, this is meant to reduce their strength as an insanely compact, high bp that is easy to shield. You will now have to pay more to have a more concentrated, higher HP, higher range BP.
We are also reducing the HP of engineering stations to make them a bit easier to snipe and to emphasize protecting your BP more.

Hives

Hives have 3 different levels, I will denote them T1, T2, and T3 for clarity's sake.

T1 Hive

  • BP: 25 > 20
  • Energy Cost: 1750 > 2100

T2 Hive

  • HP: 1.250 > 1000
  • BP: 50> 37
  • Energy Cost: 4.083,33> 4.200

T3 Hive

  • HP: 2.750 > 2.000
  • BP: 75 > 50
  • Energy Cost: 6.416,66> 6.300

Kennels

Kennels have 2 different levels, I will denote them T2 and T3.

T2 Kennel

  • Mass Cost: 550 > 525
  • Energy Cost: 2.750 > 2.625
  • Build Time: 1.100 > 1.000

T3 Kennel

  • HP: 3.000 > 2.500
  • Build Rate: 20 > 30

Kennel Drone

  • HP: 6 > 50
  • Mass Cost: 250 > 100
  • BuildTime: 750 > 500
  • Elevation 2 > 3

With these changes, it will be less punishing to lose the drones as they will rebuild faster and at a much lower cost. The elevation increase should make the drones less prone to random AoE attacks landing on the base.

T2 PD

The economy Stats of a lot of units are all over the place currently with ratios between factions being close but not the same for no apparent reason (Take the Sera and Aeon PD which have the same cost but Sera randomly costs 26 more BT). We normalized the stats and adjusted the values slightly.

UEF

  • BuildTime: 664 > 675
  • Energy Cost: 3600 > 3780

Aeon

  • BuiltTime: 701 > 675
  • Mass Cost: 528 > 540
  • Energy Cost: 3648 > 3780

Sera

  • BuiltTime: 727> 675
  • Mass Cost: 528 > 540
  • Energy Cost: 3648 > 3780

Cybran

  • Energy Cost: 3400 > 3360

T2 static Artillery

T2 static artilleries shouldn't be able to consistently hit small single targets. That's why we are increasing the firing randomness of all arties by 0.25. Aeon artillery gets a small buff as it's currently the most underwhelming one. We also normalized the unit economy stats and made a few small tweaks.

UEF

  • Mass Cost: 1890 > 1900
  • Energy Cost: 13500 > 13585
  • Firing Randomness: 2 > 2.25

Aeon

  • Mass Cost: 2079> 2080
  • Energy Cost: 14850> 14872
  • Firing Randomness: 1.5 > 1.75
  • Damage Radius: 2 > 2.25

Sera

  • Mass Cost: 1995> 2000
  • Energy Cost: 14250> 14300
  • Firing Randomness: 1.5 > 1.75

Cybran

  • Energy Cost: 12000> 12012
  • Firing Randomness: 2.5> 2.75

Nukes


Nukes are extremely strong and can be very oppressive, especially in team games. In almost every game in an early late-game, it's a good idea to make a nuke. Its relatively low cost combined with having potential for game-ending damage while always being able to find value even if the enemy has adequate defenses in place makes it a no-brainer. Not to mention that it will force out SMDs, and not just 1, depending on the map it can be up to 4 which already makes the nuke worth it without even killing anything.

The small mass cost increase and higher energy cost are supposed to make it more expensive and delay the 1st nuke by requiring more E infrastructure to set up. You will no longer be able to get T3, make 2 T3 pgens, and a nuke launcher immediately afterward. Additionally, the E cost of the missile itself is increased (The Launcher will now drain 5k instead of 4.5k E/sec), this will also increase the importance of adjacency while discouraging heavy assisting.

Nuclear warheads

  • Energy Cost: 1.350.000 > 1.500.000

Nuke Silos

  • Mass Cost: 15.000 > 16.500
  • Energy Cost: 210.000 > 412.500

Nuke Subs

Aeon, UEF

  • Mass Cost: 9000 > 9.500
  • Energy Cost: 80.000 > 152.000

Cybran

  • Mass Cost: 10.000 > 10.500
  • Energy Cost: 80.000 > 152.000

T3 Static Artillery

Energy cost nerfs follow in the steps of Air experimentals and nukes. The E cost increase is meant to force players to set up proper energy infrastructure before making artillery instead of being able to dump all of their mass extremely fast. The E maintenance cost increase is meant to create a real operational cost, especially when a player has multiple artilleries.

Increase E cost of all artilleries 1.5 times and double energy required to fire.

UEF

  • Energy Cost: 900.000 > 1.350.000
  • Energy Required to Fire: 8.000 > 16.000

Aeon

  • Energy Cost: 915.000 > 1.372.500
  • Energy Required to Fire: 8.500 > 17.000

Sera

  • Energy Cost: 885.000 > 1.327.500
  • Energy Required to Fire: 7.500 > 15.000

Cybran

  • Energy Cost: 870.000 > 1.305.000
  • Energy Required to Fire: 7.000 > 14.000

Mechanics


  • All ACUs and SACUs that can make tac missiles will start construction by default instead of having to manually enable it.

  • Loyalists will no longer redirect Billy Nukes

Specific Target Priorities (STP)

We've integrated and tweaked a mod called STP made by 4zot.

  • New hotkey for setting target priorities of selected units to the type of unit that you hover over with the mouse

Fixes


  • Fixed the icon of the Heavy Shield upgrade for Aeon ACU

  • Fixed the damage of UEF and Sera T1 Artillery. They dealt 2 less damage than intended since the way that units break tree groups was changed some time ago.

  • Adjust the hitbox of Sera Sniper so that MMLs can hit it properly

Contributors

  • Spikey
  • Farms
  • Tagada
  • Turin
  • Jip
  • Penguin
  • 4z0t
posted in Balance Discussion
RE: BlackOpsFAF-Unleashed only for FAF v20

They are blueprint changes to individual units.

posted in Modding & Tools
RE: FAF Beta - Feedback

The patch will be deployed today at 8 pm GMT + 1 if all goes according to plan. The full changelog will be available on the forums at first and the pretty one will be made soon.

posted in Balance Discussion
RE: FAF Beta - Feedback

The changelog has been updated with a few last changes:

  • T3 Artillery Nerf
  • Adjustments to the Nuke nerf
  • Reduction of strat elevation
  • Hive and Kennel adjustments

Sadly we didn't manage to get the Chrono, GC, and SCU changes in as all of them change logic and require more testing. However, there will be a small patch on the 18th of February that will include them.
UEF bubble shield rework has been delayed until the next patch.

posted in Balance Discussion
RE: Split matchmaker into mapgen and regular map queues

@tagada said in Split matchmaker into mapgen and regular map queues:

There is currently no 3vs3 queue since that format is essentially dead. Nearly nobody plays it and there are no maps for it.
If it would be just a map problem then the mapgen 3vs3 would solve that. The question is would enough people play it?

As far as I can recall it was primarily dead because of not having sufficient maps. And we can't answer the last question without trying 🙂

posted in Suggestions
RE: Split matchmaker into mapgen and regular map queues

There is currently no 3vs3 queue since that format is essentially dead. Nearly nobody plays it and there are no maps for it.
If it would be just a map problem then the mapgen 3vs3 would solve that. The question is would enough people play it?

posted in Suggestions
RE: Split matchmaker into mapgen and regular map queues

Having a 3v3 queue would fill a gap for me, where you end up in a game with no dedicated air player and nobody knows what to expect because the map is (always) generated.

To have six queues feel a bit much

posted in Suggestions