T1 pgens aren't essential for T2 arty, it's a 4% reload discount which ends up being a 1.19x effectiveness for fully capped arty, coming to a profit of only 62 mass which is a negligible 2.8% of the total 2200 mass cost of the setup (unitdb).
This marginal adjacency is eclipsed by the idea that sparkies shouldn't build any eco structures so that there is no chance of them not being a combat unit.
Best posts made by Nomander
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RE: UEF T2 Field Engineer (T1 pgens)
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RE: SUGGESTION: AEON T2 Shield Generator Fix
As Deribus mentioned, I think reducing the size without changing the stats would make it too powerful in firebases, since you can basically stack 4+ instead of 3 shields to defend a T2 PD and they are high HP and low cost compared to UEF/Cybran.
Shield HP Mass HP/Mass Cybran ED2 7000 460 15.22 Cybran T2 ED1 4000 160 25.00 Sera T2 13000 700 18.57 UEF T2 9000 600 15.00 Aeon T2 11000 480 22.92 Here's the overlap possible for a PD with the current shields:

I don't think being unable to upgrade the shield is a huge drawback, it just requires you to ctrl-k the shield and reclaim the small wreck before building the very cheap T3 shield. It requires some APM but definitely isn't impossible if you're defending something important that requires your attention with shields.
For the size complaint, I'm not sure what you want to shield. It can shield adjacent structures pretty well. Not entirely but almost everything:

For this pgen specific case I'd rather opt for a tiny increase in shield size instead of making the structure smaller.I've been testing your size idea with the "Create entities" dialog (its in the hotkeys, you use the hotkey while a unit is selected and you can change its blueprint values. Spawn a new copy of the unit to make sure you get all the changes. Requires cheats):
4x4 size is just way too OP, since you get ~8 overlapping shields instead of 3:

5x5 size is enough to cover a pgen but its still a small shield so its not reaching towards diagonals:

It also still increases the coverage from 3 to 4-6 shields:

Decreasing the size even by 1 seems to bring more problems than solutions.All in all, I understand why you dislike the shield but I think its strengths in HP and cost make it above average for firebases and protecting most directly adjacent things like T3 shields, pgens, factories, or engineers. The T3 shield is also very strong because it's super cheap and the 2nd most powerful, while giving sufficient radius imo: I've seen Aeon T3 shields easily protect air grids, artillery, or game enders from artillery barrages when a sufficient number are built (and number of shields is the most mass-efficient way of defending, so having a cheap shield helps a huge amount - natural regen is nearly worthless while recharge from 0 is extremely strong).
Shield Shield HP Mass BT HP/Mass Sera T3 21000 3600 5841 5.83 UEF T3 17000 3300 4988 5.15 Aeon T3 18000 2400 4097 7.50 Cybran ED5 16500 4260 7100 3.87 Cybran T3 ED4 13000 2460 3515 5.28 -
RE: Bug Report:SMD missing target
SMD missing and having to fire a second time is unacceptable. In that game the SMD firing twice actually lost the game.
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SACU Rebalance mod
I have published the SACU Rebalance mod. Afaik there are no bugs and its very playable: the balance is theoretical number crunching with very light T3/T4 land/navy combat testing, and all the game/visual design is implemented at a basic level (so you can look in UI for stats). Please host it/play it/sandbox it.

There's a github page with the working environment and commit history: https://github.com/lL1l1/SACU-Balance-Mod/tree/mainFrom the github:
FAF SACU Rebalance
This is a mod for Forged Alliance Forever.
Implements changes for the SACU rebalance proposed by balance team: cheaper SACUs, stronger adjacency/gateways, new army support enhancements.
Rambo SACUs are independently reworked with new weapons and upgrades to fill gaps in faction rosters.General Changes
- Cheaper SACUs: Buildtime and energy costs are significantly reduced across the board.
- RAS is more energy expensive due to decreased base SACU mass cost. RAS also increases death volatility of SACUs.
- Weaker base SACUs: Unupgraded SACUs have less HP and/or DPS.
- Stronger gateways: Gateways consume 32-44 mass/s building SACU and have 160 buildpower, while costing 2550 mass, down from 3000.
- Stronger adjacency: Mass fab and pgen adjacency for gateways is un-nerfed and made equivalent to land factory adjacency.
- Engineering upgrade buff: Engineering upgrades are made much cheaper, especially on buildpower and energy, so that they can come close to engineering stations in power.
Faction specific changes (Rambos and support enhancements)
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UEF SACUs are highly armored with good firepower. They have powerful support enhancements and combat enhancements designed to engage T4 units.

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Cybran SACUs are lightly armoured and slow, but are highly upgradeable with enhancements designed to engage enemy T3, SACU, naval, or air units.

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Aeon SACUs are agile and have a powerful sensor suite (to counter underwater cloak) but are lightly armored. They have cheap combat enhancements designed to engage enemy T3 units.
Aeon SACU nano is removed since nano does not fit the faction.

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Seraphim SACUs are highly armored with increased Regeneration rate but reduced firepower without combat enhancements. They have unique utility/support enhancements and powerful combat enhancements designed to engage enemy T3 units.
Seraphim SACU shield is removed since personal shields do not fit the faction.

- Cheaper SACUs: Buildtime and energy costs are significantly reduced across the board.
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Discussion about ACUs and their volatile nature (i.e. possible Disconnect Share rules)
This is a repost of a post made by @Jip on Discord:
It goes without saying that when an ACU is destroyed that it should explode. This discussion is not about the 'typical' way that an ACU ends up exploding. Instead, this discussion about what should happen when a player disconnects. There's some interest of adjusting this behavior, see for example:
And with thanks to @Nomander we now have a technical solution:
We just have to enable it. At the moment it is disabled. We can make the behavior work like any of the other share conditions. And we can also introduce a new behavior: the ACU recalls individually.
The question that remains is how this feature should work in practice. A few relevant facts:
- A) It is difficult, if not impossible to determine whether a player left the game on purpose or because of technical reasons. We'll refer to this as the player 'leaving' regardless of what the cause is.
- B) It is possible to make it configurable, in the same way that the victory conditions and the share conditions are configurable.
And the primary questions for this topic?
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- Should we adjust the behavior of the ACU when a player leaves the game?
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- Should we make the behavior customizable (through the lobby options)?
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- The new (individual) recall behavior, how should that work exactly? Are there conditions, and if so - what are they?
I'd like to add some more details based on what's possible with the current implementation too:
- Aside from recalling the ACU individually, we can share the ACU for a limited time or permanently.
- The share condition for units can be changed based on if a player disconnects, and whatever anti-abuse measures are used (ex: use fullshare for disconnects unless we detect abuse, then use no-share just like for normal deaths).
- Some ideas for anti-abuse measures are checking current ACU HP, if the ACU was damaged recently, or letting the ACU live (and possibly sharing it) and calling it abuse if it dies too quickly.
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RE: Question on shield assist mechanics
Maudlin is correct that assistance costs vary by shield, since it is based off of regen rate, repair cost, and RegenAssistMult.
Documentation on github repo:--- How much buildpower is required to provide 1x of the shield's regen rate.
--- The cost of assisting a shield isrepairCostRate / RegenAssistMult,
--- where repairCostRate is determined by Unit:UpdateConsumptionValues
---@field RegenAssistMult? numberThese are the buildpower and mass efficiencies considering that repair cost is 0.75x the unit cost and RegenAssistMult is 60 for all shields.
Shield AssistRegen/BP AssistRegen/Mass Sera T3 2.80 6.06 UEF T3 2.18 4.40 Aeon T3 2.50 5.69 Cybran ED5 2.33 5.19 Cybran T3 ED4 2.17 4.13 Cybran ED3 1.87 4.35 Cybran ED2 1.47 3.29 Cybran T2 ED1 0.75 4.38 Sera T2 2.55 6.07 UEF T2 2.00 5.11 Aeon T2 2.30 6.07 Considering that defending a T3 Aeon artillery costs at least 165 mass/s, and a Mavor at least 550 mass/s, it is well worth economically to spam out multiple shields (they cost around 3.4k mass each) instead of assisting one, although it is riskier because the enemy can retarget the artillery, let all your shields get up, and then come down all together in the next few artillery shots as the overspill and splash damage take effect. Good for game enders that you need to protect at all costs but also need income to build.
2 Aeon T3 artillery one shot a shield and it is impossible to assist to prevent that currently.
Assisting works at full speed if you're stalling but that's a hard to fix engine bug/performance heavy Lua fix.
[Does assisting] speed up getting a collapsed shield back up?
No it does not. That is determined by the shield recharge time which will be added to the UI soon.
Aeon used to have t2 shields that couldn't be upgraded (unless my memory fails me) but that was patched as a balance decision.
The balance team does approve of letting them be upgradeable but there is simply no animation for doing so.
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RE: Discussion about the interrupt pathfinding hotkey and a mod showcase
Good post. If you want you can take a look at/contribute to 4z0t's rings for all mod, it's set up to display range rings on top of units and currently there's no capture preview iirc.
As for interrupt pathfinding, it can get a bit out of the original scope with certain commands (attack move causing long range reclaim, load into transport from long range, capture from long range). We already filter the order to engineers only, but we could go further and filter by command type too, so it only works on what we want for good gameplay. Alternatively we should implement interrupt on assist/capture/auto ranged reclaim into the game going by the (poorly enforced) policy of integrating important mods into the game.
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RE: TMD could be cheaper
The cost of the TML isn't just 800 mass:
- mass cost: TML (800 mass) + missile (250) + some way to kill tmd, let's say 4 (easily countered) T1 bombers (360) = 1410 mass (unitdb) which affords 5 TMD.
- You need to get an extremely valuable central map position to be able to force out 6 TMD per enemy base. You then have to get T2 engineers to that position. Taking all that time + having to get the engis there (early HQ instead of eco) gets your opponent a T2 mex.
- You also have to build a TML instead of a T2 mex which gives your opponent extra mass to build TMD while you load the TML.
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RE: How will you know when your game will be unrated due to desync?
If there are more than 20 desync messages sent from any players: https://github.com/FAForever/server/blob/1b98cdae23350c92fab5203b4e6ac9bf52198e6a/server/games/game.py#L477
So I guess the unpredictability comes from the player count heavily affecting the result. An Astro game will send 6 desync messages every 5 seconds while a Dualgap game sends 12.
Latest posts made by Nomander
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Remove Novax omni?
Do you prefer removing Novax omni so it isn't an fast, unkillable counter to Cybran cloak at the front/in their base or would you keep it because it's cool to have such a rare interaction?
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RE: Experimental changes on 2026.06.25 Feedback
@maudlin27 I think you're underrating the shield by rating it purely on its stats/mass for a few reasons:
- A big shield HP pool is super valuable to the UEF roster due to their reliance on Percies which are very vulnerable to AoE from Ythotha, Megalith, Fatboy, and SACUs.
- Percies are also vulnerable to overcharge which is imo a bit too early to be building shield SACU vs ACU, but Sera SACU can have OC that the shield would be good against. The shield generator also does not die to a single OC like other mobile shields.
- Due to overspill shields have a cap of 3.3x their HP in terms of how much damage a shield ball can block, so having 2.2x the HP of Sera which is 3.3x UEF and 2.85x Aeon lets even just the first shield have much more effective HP than stacked mobile shields. Sure you can micro shields in/out or off/on to mitigate overspill, but vs burst damage there's no time for micro, which plays especially nicely into UEF's roster countering the air snipes that Fatboys experience.
- The single large bubble takes less damage from AoE than stacked small bubbles. For example billy nuke definitely would not go straight through and kill the shield generator, while it can 1-shot giant stacks of T2 shields and 2-shots stacks of T3 shields due to how AoE interacts with multiple small shields defending each other to deal extreme damage.
- The SACU also has buildpower, can be upgraded with sensors, and has tons of HP letting it survive to recharge instead of dying like normal mobile shields.
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RE: Anyway to see the build grid?
Have you considered using
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RE: Anyway to see the build grid?
no
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Experimental changes on 2026.06.25 Feedback
Develop and FAF Beta have been updated with the following changes for testing, and we have also provided some questions to guide your thoughts in gameplay:
Please provide replays with your feedback if possible.
Czar Buff
Cost slightly reduced and AA missile firing angle limits removed.Does its cost better match its anti-ground performance without being overwhelming in air-to-air utility/performance?
GC Claw Nerf
DPS and range heavily reduced but units can now be shot while they are in the claws.- Is GC still too powerful against T3 units by itself?
- Is it too powerful accompanied by DPS from the surrounding army?
- Do shots targeted at units in the claws miss too often when the GC is moving?
Beetle rebalance
Cloaking removed and speed reduced in exchange for HP and regen.- Can both sides interact with the beetle in a fair and enjoyable way, especially in T2 stage?
- Is it too weak, too powerful, or too difficult to use?
- How powerful is it when dropped?
Sniper rebalance
Range significantly reduced (below T2 PD range) in exchange for movement speed and a large cost reduction.
Ability to prioritize ACUs is removed.
Seraphim snipe mode speed increased and damage model adjusted for shorter reload alongside the main changes above.- Can non-sniper armies interact with snipers in a fair and enjoyable way?
- Are the lower cost cost snipers counterable if they are rushed?
- Do the snipers provide their user a fair reward for their resource and APM cost?
- Are mixed armies more viable than pure sniper balls?
- Are Percy/Brick counters for Sera/Aeon more accessible to lower rated players?
SACU Rebalance
Quantum gateway cost, buildtime, and adjacency buffed.
Base SACU cost reduced.
Energy and buildtime costs significatly reduced for most presets.
Costs further reduced for the engineer presets.
Energy upkeeps reduced.
SACU RAS upgrade increases death nuke damage.
UEF Bubble shield prerequisite of the personal shield is removed, and the shield is rebalanced with mobile shields in mind.
Added RAS for Seraphim SACU and removed increased base production + cost.
Overcharge upgrade cost massively reduced.
Shield moved to tele/OC arm (tele nerf and Rambo preset rework).
Rambo preset changed to Nano + Shield + Sensors/Gun Range (non-energy-based lategame single-target damage rambo).- Do SACUs come out and counter T3 or ACUs too early?
- Is UEF bubble shield viable with its new stats considering the utility of the SACU underneath?
- Is overcharge cost too low, especially after the first SACU dies and you can reuse the energy infrastructure?
- Are any SACU presets snowballing too strongly into the lategame, overpowering even their T4 counter?
- Are UEF Rambos a viable high-cost direct-fire option for UEF, who have no direct-fire T4?
- Is the buildpower of combat SACU too high?
- Are there any overwhelming/unreasonable faction differences with SACU gameplay?
- Do engineer presets find use cases as a dense buildpower option?
The full patch notes can be found online or in the game lobby's patch notes button.
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RE: Replays cutoff after the first disconnect/ejection?
@magge I'm writing some changes to add back the delay before killing acus when someone disconnects.
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RE: Replays cutoff after the first disconnect/ejection?
Since disconnects cause acus to explode instantly and a disconnecting player disconnects from everyone else, their sim instantly explodes everyone and thinks the game is over so it tells the client to tell the server that their replay is a valid game. Really bad bug we haven't gotten around to fixing.
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RE: How will you know when your game will be unrated due to desync?
If there are more than 20 desync messages sent from any players: https://github.com/FAForever/server/blob/1b98cdae23350c92fab5203b4e6ac9bf52198e6a/server/games/game.py#L477
So I guess the unpredictability comes from the player count heavily affecting the result. An Astro game will send 6 desync messages every 5 seconds while a Dualgap game sends 12. -
RE: Carrier fix
Yes there's a button to select the external factory unit of the carrier. You could UI mod stop/soft stop to cancel the factory's queue but then you would be come unable to cancel all orders for your carrier.