@maudlin27 Explain how is it a breach of law? Any law that states that you can't send money to turbo2? This is the presumption of guilty not of the innocence
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I’m not saying FAF should work to breach the law, my solution was still to reserve the funds while providing in kind services as options for people that don’t feel like waiting.
Though I also feel like the “waiting” isn’t really a necessary condition and the transfer of FAF money for a service should be viable for anyone that wins FAF money.
@lunyshko It's been made clear in previous iterations of this discussion that several people were intending to forward the money to Russian members who otherwise would not be able to receive prize money.
You can argue that such actions fall beyond what the board should be concerned about, but the worry remains that FAF remained possibly liable for such actions nonetheless. Legal advise was sought, but no definitive answer obtained. As such, the board has chosen to err on the side of caution, as it is most important to not jeopardize the FAF project, even if this meant that a handful of Russian players were unable to receive any financial prizes. I'm sure you'll be able to understand that the (perceived) risk involved here does not outweigh the rewards (pun not intended).
This sucks for those players and it's not their fault, but such are the consequences of living in a warmongering state.
Again, all of this has previously been discussed to death, and the conclusions that were reached by the board are unlikely to change. It's time to stop this discussion, if only so that we can return to the issue at hand:
We were discussing on how to deal with avatars, both in the global sense of needing proper guidelines to handle future assignments, as well as the specific sense of how to deal with the custom avatar given out by NOC as a replacement for the tournament prize.
There are efforts made to work out a good set of guidelines, mostly based on the earlier framework by FTX and some current revisions by Fichom. Further input on this is very welcome, please see the relevant discord channel.
@blackyps said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
@ftxcommando said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
the situation above is arbitrary and shouldn’t have happened. Because it’s really just NOC deciding based on his personal vibes that day what is worth a personal avatar.
That's a pretty good description of what happened.
There is a thread in the promo-public channel on discord now that discusses avatar rules. All input is welcome.
I don’t think so. I put equivalent if not more fault on the Board for making a terrible ruling to save themselves a little bit of duress which in turn put NOC in a totally losing situation where he tried to give some sort of compensation. Only problem on NOC’s end was not working out the details.
Little bit of a false dichotomy going on with this “net good vs net evil” when the whole situation exists because a ledger of reserved, illiquid funds is too much work for those few players. It’s really more like the needs of those few players isn’t worth a single hour a week of time of like 1 of 7 different Board members, which is a big deal for NOC’s position.
The total unpaid tournament winnings are $150 to ZLO, $75 to Espi and Lunyshko, $30 to Robogear? Or who else did not get money?
With the help of Spikey I have compiled a table of all 201 current avatars. The categories are my personal best guess and aren't meant to be taken as fact, since they aren't formally categorized in any way.
Post cut in half because of character limit
Tournament | Contributor | Personal | Other | |
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1 | TMM Gold Champion 1 | FAF Donator | Looking Down | ACU sniper |
2 | TMM Gold Champion 2 | Moderator | Pizza ! | Seraphim |
3 | TMM Silver Champion 1 | I'm a FAF caster | Sin.. | Cybran |
4 | TMM Silver Champion 2 | Mod Author | Grrrrr ! | Aeon |
5 | IMBA Cup Champion | Map Author | Voodoo personal avatar | UEF |
6 | IMBA Cup Finalist | Tournament Director | Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Unive | Brackman |
7 | King of Open Palms | Galactic War Donator | The Boot | Cool Princess |
8 | Prince Of Open Palms | Personal Trainer | Masters Of The Universe | Liberate ! |
9 | Tournament winner | Theme Creator | I'm watching you! | Cleanse ! |
10 | King of Seraphim | FAF Wiki Editor | The Voice of Reason | Unite ! |
11 | Blitz Champion | I'm a FAF streamer | Fluffy Tails | Destroy ! |
12 | 2vs2 Tournament Champion | Stack Wizard | speed2's avatar | Strategic Genius |
13 | King of UEF | Trainer Team Lead | LTT | Son of Shagrat |
14 | Tournament Champion | Balance Team Lead | Phoenix | President Riley |
15 | King of Cybran | Game Team Lead | Espiranto Personal Compensation | Cool Seth-Iavow |
16 | LABwars Champion | Creative Team Lead | Cool Brackman | |
17 | King of Setons Clutch | Moderation Team Lead | Cool Clarke | |
18 | Tournament Participant | Community Manager | Son of Shagrat xmas | |
19 | Winner of Hearts | Promotions Team Lead | Happy Holidays ! | |
20 | King of Aeon | DevOps Team Lead | Princess Rhianne Burke | |
21 | Nomads Tournament Champion | Game Code Tester | Core for ever! | |
22 | Clan War Challenger | FAF Moderator | Cool Riley | |
23 | Clan War Champion | FAF Developer | Dostya | |
24 | The Galaxy Cup Champion | ICE Tester | Rhiza | |
25 | 2V2 WWPC U3400 Champion | M like moderator | Zan-Aishahesh | |
26 | Prime Commander Finalist | FAF Discord Administrator | Seth-Iavow | |
27 | Survival Champion | Grand Sculptor | Ladder Warrior | |
28 | Average Joes Champion | Tournament Donator | Kael | |
29 | Prince of Aeon | Patreon Donator | Ultimate Assimilator | |
30 | Prince of Cybran | Content Creator | I'm a special snowflake! | |
31 | Holy Trinity Winner | Patreon T3 | I'm special | |
32 | Prince of Seraphim | Patreon T4 | Nomads | |
33 | Eco Emperor | Campaign Team Lead | Vendetta | |
34 | 3v3 Spring Champion | Moderator (2023) | Galactic Conqueror | |
35 | Minons and Legends winner | Moderator (2023) red | Puppetmaster | |
36 | 2v2 Fixed In Equilibrium | FAF Live Team | Nomads | |
37 | 3v3 Summer Champion | BalanceTeam | ARM | |
38 | 3v3 Trident Of Power | CreativeTeam | CORE | |
39 | LotS Qualifier Champion | GameDevTeam | Ladder Knight | |
40 | Heart of Black Champion | DevOpsTeam | Warrior of TMM |
Tournament | Contributor | Personal | Other | |
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41 | King of Astrocrater | CampaignTeam | Veteran of TMM | |
42 | Rebalance Tournament Champion | MatchmakingTeam | King of TMM | |
43 | 2v2 Masters Cup | TournamentTeam | Clairvoyant | |
44 | Bronze Musketeer | ModerationTeam | King of Silver | |
45 | Silver Musketeer | PromoTeam | King of Gold | |
46 | Golden Musketeer | TrainerTeam | King of Diamond | |
47 | FAF 2019 Champion | Ladder Autumn Gold | ||
48 | Coffin Tourney Champion | Ladder Autumn Grandmaster | ||
49 | Summer Invitational Champion | Ladder Autumn Master | ||
50 | Summer Invitational Finalist | Ladder Summer Grandmaster | ||
51 | Summer Invitational Qualifier Champion | Ladder Summer Master | ||
52 | King of Dual Gap | Ladder Summer Diamond | ||
53 | Nomads Winner | Ladder Summer Gold | ||
54 | Fall Invitational Qualifier Winner | CaveDog | ||
55 | Fall Invitational Champion | Veteran FAFer | ||
56 | MapGen Tourney Winner | PrinceOfTMM | ||
57 | Rainbow Cup III Champion | Nightmare | ||
58 | The Darkest Heart | |||
59 | Spring Invitational Qualifier Champion | |||
60 | Spring Invitational Champion | |||
61 | Computer Cup Champion | |||
62 | FAF Champion 2021 | |||
63 | 2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2021 | |||
64 | 3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2021 | |||
65 | 4th Place Legend of the Stars 2021 | |||
66 | RC IV Champion | |||
67 | Seton's champion | |||
68 | Seton's fighter | |||
69 | cringe tournament winner | |||
70 | Mario Brother | |||
71 | Luigi Brother | |||
72 | Cringe Tournament III Champion | |||
73 | Rainbow Cup V Champion | |||
74 | FAF World Champion 2022 | |||
75 | 2nd Place Legend of the Stars 2022 | |||
76 | 3rd Place Legend of the Stars 2022 | |||
77 | 4th Place Legend of the Stars 2022 | |||
78 | Rainbow Cup VI Champion | |||
79 | FAFbetaTourney | |||
80 | LOTS 2023 1st | |||
81 | LOTS 2023 2nd | |||
82 | LOTS 2023 3rd | |||
83 | LOTS 2023 4th |
Of these 201 avatars there are 35 which are currently not assigned to anybody.
@balanceslave said in Personal/Custom Avatars:
uh guys, who took nightmare away from me and kept it in the vault
Discussed in pms, almost certainly because of the avatar deletion bug
Um there is more than 201. Considering when I login to mod client and look there is around 400+
I retract this guessing the avatar bug wiped half of them.
So originally 442 were there, now some are missing
The avatar ID increments every time an avatar is uploaded. Yes, the highest avatar ID reached is 442, but that includes avatars that were reuploaded, changed, removed for other reasons, etc. This does not mean that more than half of all avatars have been wiped by the bug.
If there are avatars in this list that I or others have a right to. Is there someone I can appeal to?
Avatar drops lets gooo!
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