Aight, time to receive some shittalk from the Setoners.
I honestly think that Seton's should be removed from the 4v4 map-pool. I talked about it with many different players, reaching from 1.2k up to 2.1k and the results were the same: Nearly noone likes to play it or offers an instant draw / leave once they get it. Since the map has a strict meta / buildorders, it's insanely hard to keep up with Setoners (even though they're 300 pts below you) if you don't want to learn the starter-BOs since they throw you back quite a lot (Especially snowballing kicks in).
On top of that it's a map that's always being hosted. If someone wants to play Seton's, he can just join one of the 10 lobbies open 24/7. Even some Setoner play TMM for a break and are not rlly happy once they get Seton's once again as a map.

I am NOT going to argue why exactly it should be removed or "that it's easy to learn the BOs and as a high rank you should be able to play it perfectly anyway", I'm simply just speaking for quite some ppl right now, drawing a bit attention to it.

Not going to argue against every single point, but in general:

Gun is alrdy insanely OP. If your ACU is at front, your attention is usually there 90% of the time -> You are able to micro it. If your opponent is not Aeon and you both have gun, you can just deal free damage the whole time while your opponent can't do shit against it. Only Cybran with the stealth-upgrade can counter gun at least a bit.

Auroras have hover and way more range than any other tanks. Their whole purpose is to just defend certain points, if you make them faster no other faction has the slightest chance of pushing them.

Mercys are already overpowered as fuck. Their hitbox is broken so flak and MAA sometimes don't even hit them, once not scouted your ACU can be dead in a fraction of a second. They can be used to kill other mexes around the map or just snipe basically anything stationary if you get through. You can't even dodge that shit. Giving them even more HP makes it the most overpowered unit in the whole game since you can have them so early on. Take a larger teamgame for example. 4 players of each team fighting at front, maybe two chilling at the back. If one of them rushes mercies and if they have even more hp, the other team is never going to be able to push again

Like it can be that some of the suggestions might improve the gameplay for lower ranked people since they simply can't use all of the mechanics yet like they're intented to be used. But it will absolutely kill the balance for basically any higher ranked lobby. And balancing the game in order to improve it for only the lower ranked ones shouldn't be the goal.

I doubt that it makes the life for lower ranked players easier. Having three different reclaim-orders seem a bit overwhelming until it becomes a habit. Most of them just use patrol (referring to my experience as a trainer) and max. click wrecks or huge rocks (150+ mass) but that's about it.
I heavily assume it's going to be a thing for ~1000-1500 ranked players and honestly? The ones who manage to manual click should get the reward of having a slight advantage since they spend the time. e.g. Canis, while one dude micros the units and the other one gets bad trades for that but clicks the rocks, he should get the advantage. For me it's like a decision to either micro or manually reclaim since you have to think about the advantage each options give you at that certain point. Since many maps have manual reclaim and I prefer that over microing units early on, for me it's the decision to build less labs and focus on getting a more optimised starter-BO than most other people, giving me an advantage over time.

I do agree that it has a smaller impact than most players think, but for high ranks the small details/advantages matter and shouldn't just get removed. Imo if the brush gets added, engis should autododge labs etc. since that also just consumes APM and if you lost one engi it doesn't hurt/it's only a small advantage if you keep it since you build 300 during the game. For me that's the same argumentation.

Serious question - I think it's nothing new that transport sometimes unload units instantly and sometimes it takes ages for them to unload anything, no matter if the terrain is flat or not (I've tested that on some flat maps, the times were still not consistent) or if it had the drop-command for a long time or a second ago.
For the game experience that results in a RNG-like feeling. 1-2 seconds don't matter that much once the game went on for a bit, but for the first few minutes where players expand with transports it's definitely a huge difference if your transport manages to drop 6 engis in time while getting shot down or if it hovers a couple of seconds resulting in death.
I don't really have a "perfect" replay to show even though I'm sure it happened dozen of times, but just to get a sense of what I'm talking about: #17108149. I played fcking bad there, not talking about that, but either my feelings were wrong there or the transport just hovered for quite some time resulting in its death.

To get to the point: Can someone explain to me how it comes to the different times? Is it due to the ingame-ticks or smth else and more importantly, could it be fixed somehow or is it just smth to live with?

Time to sign up after having that on my to do-list for 3 months straight kappa

Sladow-Noob [Global: 2000]

Training players reaching from complete beginners up to 1.5k+ rank since years, specializing in teamgames on any map, any faction. I don't mind if someone only wants to learn the standard buildorders or the more advanced micro-techniques - I can teach you what you want to learn and especially for the ones who're usually by far the highest ones in the team: How to carry teamgames. Usually it's up to my trainees if they want to go through replays via a VC on Discord or just via chat.

of alle the 100 things clearly underbuilding buildpower and overflowing the value of a scathis before hitting min 15, always a pleasure seeing that xD

I'm in! 2000

Dual Gap is Gone

Have to withdraw from the tournament due to some finals sadly.

@morax The variaty and size is perfect imo. I keep getting the same maps over and over again but not sure if that's intended or just bad luck.. Besides that it's fine though - also heard from quite many trainees that they're happy with the maps overall as well

I'm in boi

of alle the 100 things clearly underbuilding buildpower and overflowing the value of a scathis before hitting min 15, always a pleasure seeing that xD

Since it seems we're primary talking about the t1 and early t2 stage, I don't think it makes a huge difference on most maps (primary talking about 15x15+ maps since on 10x10 you either walk most of the times in teamgames or in 1v1s you can't see every drop due to lack of attention). Like, you don't have a t2 radar that early, therefore can't rlly see drops until they're close to the land anyway. You don't let your intis just patrol around over non-Aeon frigs for no reason and therefore it doesn't make a difference if the transport pops up 10m away of the land due to radar range or if it popos up 9m away of the land due to underwater-transports.
I simply fail to see where the benefit is. The only thing is that random scouts can see a transport but that doesn't happen that frequently if you watch out / use your inties like you should.

Also on many maps the water is shallow, making it a pain for the transport (pathfinding issues, bugs, ...) anyway.

Other things are how units react. E.g. can you getto a sub? And stuff like that, but those mechanical/balance stuff isn't my problem.

@zlo said in TheDuelist's Dueling 2v2 Duel:

We have not yet played a game due to timezone issues xD

Other teams seem to be doing ok-ish

here is challonge https://challonge.com/ru/sa04cw0l

Feel you Zlo. I heavily assume it'll take quite a lot of weeks in order to reach the quarter final lol

@jcvjcvjcvjcv Yeah that's mostly due to the terrain. The factions also behave differently there, e.g. on the Map "Pyramid" there is the small plateau with one mex at the top. As far as I know only Aeon can drop it since the other factions need a "larger" drop location.
Same for Ozone Island, I remember the map having more hills on some islands, since transports don't drop on them they keep dropping somewhere else. A fix for that is (if you have time) to try to drop at location X, if the transport wants to fly away, give it a new command to a nearby location on the island. Repeat that after it finally drops.

I can also be wrong though, not 100% sure with that

@unknow @TheWheelie
hmm.. then my feeling might just have been wrong there.. I'll try to leave the commands as long as possible and keep an eye on that. tyty!

Serious question - I think it's nothing new that transport sometimes unload units instantly and sometimes it takes ages for them to unload anything, no matter if the terrain is flat or not (I've tested that on some flat maps, the times were still not consistent) or if it had the drop-command for a long time or a second ago.
For the game experience that results in a RNG-like feeling. 1-2 seconds don't matter that much once the game went on for a bit, but for the first few minutes where players expand with transports it's definitely a huge difference if your transport manages to drop 6 engis in time while getting shot down or if it hovers a couple of seconds resulting in death.
I don't really have a "perfect" replay to show even though I'm sure it happened dozen of times, but just to get a sense of what I'm talking about: #17108149. I played fcking bad there, not talking about that, but either my feelings were wrong there or the transport just hovered for quite some time resulting in its death.

To get to the point: Can someone explain to me how it comes to the different times? Is it due to the ingame-ticks or smth else and more importantly, could it be fixed somehow or is it just smth to live with?

@penguin_ said in Reclaim Brush:

@FtXCommando @TheWheelie

No. Even if new players are already incentivized to prioritize fun stuff over manual reclaim, many of them often focus too much on manual reclaim for various reasons (they don't have to be good reasons, but this phenomenon clearly occurs). If a reclaim brush was added to the game, many noobs would consequently use it and spend less time focusing on reclaim (because it requires less time and fewer clicks than manual reclaiming the same stuff), and they'd spend more time focusing on fun stuff that they should be focusing more on anyway. That alone would make the game more fun for them, and it actually could help many noobs to improve a bit, and it would improve QoL and their perceptions about playing FAF in positive ways.

Ngl none of all the ppl I trained or checked focused on manual reclaim lol

@penguin_ said in Reclaim Brush:

@FtXCommando

I clearly made many points. Sourcing some of my points/supporting details from those threads doesn't make my points invalid, nor does it mean that arguing against claims others made in those threads (that I didn't make) is arguing against the points I made...

Regarding, what the feature is for, see several of my previous points and explanations...

Some examples of what I personally would use this feature for myself:

In more competitive games (ie: in tournaments), I'd use the reclaim brush some of the time when I would otherwise do other things. It would replace some of my attack move orders and manual reclaim orders, as well as some of my other time use. However, it would save me time on manual reclaiming that I could then use for other micro'ing, strategic decision-making, looking at what I've scouted, etc. It would also result in my overall reclaiming being better (ie: I'd use it on some groups of t1 wrecks surrounded by trees that I otherwise wouldn't get efficiently because I wouldn't want to spend the APM on manually reclaiming them. So I'd otherwise use an attack move order that would result in me getting the wrecks more slowly because it would get many of the trees before many of the wrecks).

In more casual games, I'd like to use it to be better able to be more chill/relaxed with reclaim clicking without sacrificing as much quality compared to doing more intense high-APM/high-effort manual reclaiming, among other things. For example, in generic 1.3k+ games on canis, if 1 air player tryhards with manually clicking numerous 38 mass rocks early game, and the opposing air player does not, that often makes a significant impact on the game, and whether or not to do that in the 1.5k+ range often comes down to whether a player wants to play in a chill/relaxed/lazy way or a stressed/intense/tryhard way.

@Sladow-Noob

Regarding this being a desirable feature for new players, see points 1-6. That outweighs the tiny cost of the very slight increase in complication.

Regarding you wanting players with more time to do things to be rewarded for their high APM, see point 8.

Your argument regarding engis autododging/etc is a slippery slope fallacy. See my OP and point 5.

Ngl I have the feeling you simple didn't understand my point, especially "Regarding you wanting players with more time to do things to be rewarded for their high APM, see point 8."

I doubt that it makes the life for lower ranked players easier. Having three different reclaim-orders seem a bit overwhelming until it becomes a habit. Most of them just use patrol (referring to my experience as a trainer) and max. click wrecks or huge rocks (150+ mass) but that's about it.
I heavily assume it's going to be a thing for ~1000-1500 ranked players and honestly? The ones who manage to manual click should get the reward of having a slight advantage since they spend the time. e.g. Canis, while one dude micros the units and the other one gets bad trades for that but clicks the rocks, he should get the advantage. For me it's like a decision to either micro or manually reclaim since you have to think about the advantage each options give you at that certain point. Since many maps have manual reclaim and I prefer that over microing units early on, for me it's the decision to build less labs and focus on getting a more optimised starter-BO than most other people, giving me an advantage over time.

I do agree that it has a smaller impact than most players think, but for high ranks the small details/advantages matter and shouldn't just get removed. Imo if the brush gets added, engis should autododge labs etc. since that also just consumes APM and if you lost one engi it doesn't hurt/it's only a small advantage if you keep it since you build 300 during the game. For me that's the same argumentation.