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Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed

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    Deribus Global Moderator
    last edited by Deribus 6 Jul 2022, 10:22 7 Jun 2022, 10:19

    I'm sure just about everyone and their mother knows the feeling of dread when your find out the opposite team has T3 air before yours does, because that often means there's an incoming strategic bomber.

    If you don't have your own T3 tech you're basically screwed, and this goes doubly so if the strategic bomber is Cybran, because you won't have the necessary omni to nullify stealth.

    As such I've written a mod (with help from @Jip and @Balthazar) to slow Cybran T3 strategic bombers by 20% when their stealth is enabled. This brings their top speed from 17 down to 13.6, which gives interceptors (speed 15) a chance to catch up if you manage to target the bomber during a pass.

    Imgur link to video, I gave up fighting forum uploads

    The bomber on the left is unstealthed and has the same speed as before, leaving the interceptors in the dust. The one on the right is stealthed and has the interceptors slowly creep up on it.

    Mod is on the vault under the name "Slowed Stealth Strats"

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      NOC-
      last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 12:01

      No just no.

      Strats are easily dealt with regardless of t3 tech.

      Ras Boi's save lives.

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        Zeldafanboy
        last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 13:05

        I think after the veterancy nerf strat rushes are more manageable to deal with, they already got a AOE nerf as well

        put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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          SpikeyNoob Global Moderator
          last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 13:51

          Micro will be so easy XD

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            archsimkat
            last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 15:22

            If you're gonna do strats you should do cybran asfs as well for consistency...

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              Deribus Global Moderator
              last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 17:26

              Yeah this could easily be extended to all Cybran T3 ait, but for this mod I've tried to keep it minimal

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                MarcSpector
                last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 19:22

                It's impossible. Players who play a lot in the air are used to turning on stealth on automatic, without even thinking. And then they complain that they have become so slow. It is difficult to wean this behavior.

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                  Zeldafanboy @Deribus
                  last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 20:39

                  @deribus

                  If only one faction had a speed toggle on their ASF for turn micro... that would not change the balance in the way you think it would

                  put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                    MazorNoob
                    last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 20:40

                    Stealth is powerful because you can send strats very close to enemy base undetected, nerfing speed does nothing about it. People will just disable stealth before the bombing run.

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                      FtXCommando
                      last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 20:46

                      I'd rather buff other air than nerf the fun part of cyb air

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                        Dragun101
                        last edited by 7 Jun 2022, 22:46

                        Give Asfs Jammers, actually what I think be cool do a rework of broadswords and restorers to be viabler or something ai dunno

                        I’m a shitty 1k Global. Any balance or gameplay suggestions should be understood or taken as such.

                        Project Head and current Owner/Manager of SCTA Project

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                          veteranashe
                          last edited by 8 Jun 2022, 14:12

                          You should make the ceiling of the stealth aircraft lower but have the same speed. Is it a semi realistic approach to it and might be easier to shoot at.

                          Is a height of a flown aircraft changeable in Supcom?

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                            Jip
                            last edited by 8 Jun 2022, 17:07

                            Yes, it is. We can change that live too.

                            A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                              jcvjcvjcvjcv @veteranashe
                              last edited by 8 Jun 2022, 21:22

                              @veteranashe said in Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed:

                              You should make the ceiling of the stealth aircraft lower but have the same speed. Is it a semi realistic approach to it and might be easier to shoot at.

                              Is a height of a flown aircraft changeable in Supcom?

                              So that AA will hit the terrain xD, like PD?

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                                thecore
                                last edited by 8 Jun 2022, 23:18

                                How about when stealth is turned on, it uses more fuel.

                                Never Fear, A Geek is Here!

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                                  jcvjcvjcvjcv @thecore
                                  last edited by 9 Jun 2022, 13:49

                                  @thecore said in Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed:

                                  How about when stealth is turned on, it uses more fuel.

                                  How much more? I've played 5000+ games, but haven't seen out-of fuel strats in more than 2...

                                  They are usually just a single-use unit anyway.

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                                    veteranashe @jcvjcvjcvjcv
                                    last edited by 11 Jun 2022, 00:40

                                    @jcvjcvjcvjcv that's funny, it should slow down and raise up over the terrain making it easier to hit though

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                                      MadMax
                                      last edited by 12 Jun 2022, 19:56

                                      when will the cybran oppression end

                                      Vault Admin / Creative Team / Map Guru

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