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    Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed

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    • DeribusD
      Deribus Global Moderator
      last edited by Deribus

      I'm sure just about everyone and their mother knows the feeling of dread when your find out the opposite team has T3 air before yours does, because that often means there's an incoming strategic bomber.

      If you don't have your own T3 tech you're basically screwed, and this goes doubly so if the strategic bomber is Cybran, because you won't have the necessary omni to nullify stealth.

      As such I've written a mod (with help from @Jip and @Balthazar) to slow Cybran T3 strategic bombers by 20% when their stealth is enabled. This brings their top speed from 17 down to 13.6, which gives interceptors (speed 15) a chance to catch up if you manage to target the bomber during a pass.

      Imgur link to video, I gave up fighting forum uploads

      The bomber on the left is unstealthed and has the same speed as before, leaving the interceptors in the dust. The one on the right is stealthed and has the interceptors slowly creep up on it.

      Mod is on the vault under the name "Slowed Stealth Strats"

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      • NOC-N
        NOC-
        last edited by

        No just no.

        Strats are easily dealt with regardless of t3 tech.

        Ras Boi's save lives.

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        • ZeldafanboyZ
          Zeldafanboy
          last edited by

          I think after the veterancy nerf strat rushes are more manageable to deal with, they already got a AOE nerf as well

          put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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          • SpikeyNoobS
            SpikeyNoob Global Moderator
            last edited by

            Micro will be so easy XD

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            • archsimkatA
              archsimkat
              last edited by

              If you're gonna do strats you should do cybran asfs as well for consistency...

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              • DeribusD
                Deribus Global Moderator
                last edited by

                Yeah this could easily be extended to all Cybran T3 ait, but for this mod I've tried to keep it minimal

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                • MarcSpectorM
                  MarcSpector
                  last edited by

                  It's impossible. Players who play a lot in the air are used to turning on stealth on automatic, without even thinking. And then they complain that they have become so slow. It is difficult to wean this behavior.

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                  • ZeldafanboyZ
                    Zeldafanboy @Deribus
                    last edited by

                    @deribus

                    If only one faction had a speed toggle on their ASF for turn micro... that would not change the balance in the way you think it would

                    put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                    • MazorNoobM
                      MazorNoob
                      last edited by

                      Stealth is powerful because you can send strats very close to enemy base undetected, nerfing speed does nothing about it. People will just disable stealth before the bombing run.

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                      • FtXCommandoF
                        FtXCommando
                        last edited by

                        I'd rather buff other air than nerf the fun part of cyb air

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                        • Dragun101D
                          Dragun101
                          last edited by

                          Give Asfs Jammers, actually what I think be cool do a rework of broadswords and restorers to be viabler or something ai dunno

                          I’m a shitty 1k Global. Any balance or gameplay suggestions should be understood or taken as such.

                          Project Head and current Owner/Manager of SCTA Project

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                          • veteranasheV
                            veteranashe
                            last edited by

                            You should make the ceiling of the stealth aircraft lower but have the same speed. Is it a semi realistic approach to it and might be easier to shoot at.

                            Is a height of a flown aircraft changeable in Supcom?

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                            • JipJ
                              Jip
                              last edited by

                              Yes, it is. We can change that live too.

                              A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                              • J
                                jcvjcvjcvjcv @veteranashe
                                last edited by

                                @veteranashe said in Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed:

                                You should make the ceiling of the stealth aircraft lower but have the same speed. Is it a semi realistic approach to it and might be easier to shoot at.

                                Is a height of a flown aircraft changeable in Supcom?

                                So that AA will hit the terrain xD, like PD?

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                                • T
                                  thecore
                                  last edited by

                                  How about when stealth is turned on, it uses more fuel.

                                  Never Fear, A Geek is Here!

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                                    jcvjcvjcvjcv @thecore
                                    last edited by

                                    @thecore said in Cybran Strats should get slowed while stealthed:

                                    How about when stealth is turned on, it uses more fuel.

                                    How much more? I've played 5000+ games, but haven't seen out-of fuel strats in more than 2...

                                    They are usually just a single-use unit anyway.

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                                    • veteranasheV
                                      veteranashe @jcvjcvjcvjcv
                                      last edited by

                                      @jcvjcvjcvjcv that's funny, it should slow down and raise up over the terrain making it easier to hit though

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                                      • MadMaxM
                                        MadMax
                                        last edited by

                                        when will the cybran oppression end

                                        Vault Admin / Creative Team / Map Guru

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