Why would you have left FAF?

I'm going to rant a little, so that I DON'T just quit...

The ELO or whatever it's called in FAF is just downright bizarre and infuriating. I only play 2v2 with a friend, we play about the same, sometimes he plays better, sometimes I do. He did get better ranking at first though so he's usually 200 points above me (currently 600 and 800 respectively) and we've played about 50 games together out of which we have less than 10 wins. The first week I was kind of stagnating around 300, but for the last 2 weeks we've been literally failing upwards. Every win is like +50 points and every loss, no matter how bad is like -5 at worst.

Today's 2 games were true cherry on top. First game one opponent suicides his commander in first 5 minutes and the other forfeits. Huge win for us, here you go 50 points. Then we get matched against 1300 (and 250) players, obviously we get our asses kicked hard, but I guess that's -4 points. What the actual f*ck is this?

Like, are there just that few bad/mediocre players that the matchmaker just can't find me a half decent match?

Your shown rating is the rating the system is 99.7% sure you can at least play at. When you beat players, the system is more and more confident that the rating can rise. If you lose to a 500 rated guy when the system thinks you are 99.7% likely to be no worse than a 300, then you don't lose much, because that data fits the distribution. You do lose uncertainty though, which in turn impacts how much the wins will give and also in turn actually results in you losing more rating via your median going down. Think of the game looking at your skill as a player as a statistical distribution. More data means a tighter expectation of performances, losses will shift the top of the bell curve but the shown rating won't show that.

The short of it is that the loss is impacting you in a variable you don't actually see, your median rating, which is what the system actually uses to determine balanced games by messing with the uncertainty it has about you. Wins impact your shown rating because it drastically increases the minimum expectation the system can have of you as a player. You only see that shown rating increase because that's what is used to maintain leaderboards in a TrueSkill system.

big ups for acu cosmetics

Your shown rating is the rating the system is 99.7% sure you can at least play at

I'm sorry I don't understand what does that mean? Clearly I can't play at that level if I'm loosing >9/10 games? And what about the people who absolutely destroy us? Why is their rank so "low" then? But I suppose what you are saying is that the number is kind of meaningless? Then I would honestly just prefer if the number was hidden, this just makes it more infuriating.

Anyway, I think I'm going to try 3v3 since it seems to have lot more active queue, with some luck there might be more players closer to my rank. 2v2 seems to match me with just about anyone available. But then I would still need to spend several games loosing in 3v3 for the game figure out my rank and I'm not sure I have patience for another series of overwhelming losses.

Oh well.

You won a quarter of your 2v2 games. The rating is meaningless in the sense of the system doesn't care about it for balance. However the number is valuable for leaderboards and categorizing players, hence why it gets used for that. Otherwise new registered players would pop up in the middle of a potential leaderboard with 1500 rating before they even play a game.

boring, there better games
+it dont work on linux like before(great updates btw!)

@brutus5000

local conflicts
blm
lgbt

imagine thinking that almost ww3(54 countries coalition against russia(chinese proxy)) is same to blm

@kirovreporting said in Why would you have left FAF?:

boring, there better games
+it dont work on linux like before(great updates btw!)

Works on my machine, what are you having problems with?

@mazornoob said in Why would you have left FAF?

Works on my machine, what are you having problems with?

Works for me too.

Game is not well balanced, and there is no reason for cheese gameplay (no usable units or ACU features) only standard eco or spamming is worth considering.
To summarize:

• Mavor is way to strong when compared to other T4 end-gamers;
• there is no defense against T2 bomber spam on T2 game phase;
• there are no end-game upgrades for ACU;
• experimentals Megabot and GC ale basically the same;
• since there is T3/T4 artillery why there is no T4 shield? It is hard to defense against 3 x T3 arty fire;
• when playing like 3 vs 3 , if one team build together an end-gamer they will win... joint effort vs non-joint effort should be irrelevant because you play with random people;
• many ACU upgrades are not usable;
• more cool units for more cool tactics are needed (https://supcom2.fandom.com/wiki/Experimental_Units; https://supcom2.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite_War_Battle_Pack_One_DLC)
• units Veteran status needs overhaul - it should be more noticeable.

Please please please add a RPG elements to that game, to extend diversity of a gameplay:

• each player should be able to customize his ACU on: unique Experimentls or Units (some options to choose what they can build, for example UEF player can build Noah Experimental Unit Cannon while other UEF player can build just regular arty but also Super Triton Experimental Dreadnought - it would be so cool);
• specialization like: better mass production, better energy managment, offensive or deffensive stats boosting;

@xtermination said in Why would you have left FAF?:

Game is not well balanced, and there is no reason for cheese gameplay (no usable units or ACU features) only standard eco or spamming is worth considering.

What? I’ve played since gpgnet was a thing and this is probably the best balance has ever been.

To summarize:

• Mavor is way to strong when compared to other T4 end-gamers;

It’s barely top 3 out of 5. Paragon and salv are both better than Mavor these days imo. I find Mavor easier to defend against at least.

• there is no defense against T2 bomber spam on T2 game phase;

Make inties and flaks. Make your own t2 bombers and win if it's so easy. I'd recommend this approach since you'll either A. quickly learn it's not that easy, or B. rank up enough by winning with this approach that you get people you no longer win against with this approach. At which point you'll also learn that it's not necessarily a free win.

• there are no end-game upgrades for ACU;

Why is this necessary? Have you seen what maxed out ACUs can actually do? Why would you expect them to hang with massive t4 units anyway?

• experimentals Megabot and GC ale basically the same;

Mega, GC, and Monkey are completely different units that fit different roles. I suppose the GC and monkey are similar-ish, but still quite different - one is cheaper, faster, stealthed, and the other is more expensive, slower, and better vs t3

• since there is T3/T4 artillery why there is no T4 shield? It is hard to defense against 3 x T3 arty fire;

You’re not supposed to defend against t3/t4 arty without effort.

• when playing like 3 vs 3 , if one team build together an end-gamer they will win... joint effort vs non-joint effort should be irrelevant because you play with random people;

This is fundamentally how team games work. There are no team games that I know of at least that work better if you don’t play as a team. Kinda defeats the point of a team game. They all have this problem.

Everything else is defeats the point of FAF - it’s forged alliance forever, and it’s not meant to be something that massively changes what the core game is meant to be. That’s what mods are for.

Guy must play astro too much

@xtermination said in Why would you have left FAF?:

when playing like 3 vs 3 , if one team build together an end-gamer they will win... joint effort vs non-joint effort should be irrelevant because you play with random people;

Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

@rancor1223 said in Why would you have left FAF?:

I'm sorry I don't understand what does that mean? Clearly I can't play at that level if I'm loosing >9/10 games?

The ENEMY ratings are ALSO what the system is 99.7% sure THEY are better than.

This is probably the factor that is making things unclear.

Ultimately, trueskill systems tend to 'work' best if you just ignore the numbers, don't sweat losing, and rest assured that you will get reasonably decent games, which get better the more you play - win or lose.

(The worst thing players can do in these systems is alt+f4 / similar exploits, or otherwise get too concerned with trying to avoid losses to their rating. I find that if you don't sweat the losses, the systems work very well.
Although, I mostly play 1v1, and can understand how issues might occur in team games, particularly when highly-skilled pre-arranged teams are involved.)

Everyone responding to players expressing their reasons for leaving with "you're wrong" should just shut up. Your arguments will not convince someone to keep playing once they decided to leave and you're only discouraging others from speaking out. Doesn't matter if you're right, you're just shitting up a rare, useful feedback thread for no reason.

Basically none of the feedback here has been useful lol

@femtozetta

The survivorship bias is thinking an rts game was a good idea, we shoulda made it a ftp loot shooter

@femtozetta you're so smart! if you couldn't tell people they stopped playing for the wrong reasons, how would others possibly realize how highly intelligent you are? You're right my suggestion was basically 1984. Your previous post alone contributes more to this thread than all others combined. You probably already knew exactly why people stop playing faf since your brain is so huge.

@phong While I see where you're coming from, femto has a point. It's not useful feedback when someone's reason for quitting FAF is that they don't want their team to matter in a team game. We more or less stopped getting "useful" or new feedback in this thread a long time ago.

All that said, I don't disagree with you either and the more experienced and veteran people like myself should be mindful of that, at least on the reasonable takes even if they're not necessarily accurate.