Reduce T2 Air Snipes
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Give T2 air to ground a dps reduction to ACU only.
It is well known that some players like to snipe the ACU with T2 air as an easy way to win.
This for me and many other players just kills the game.
Nurfing T2 air altogether would make T2 air terrible.
It is possible to reduce damage by percentage to "Commanders" so I believe this would be a great idea to reduce, not prevent, just reduce the ease of this highly effective but brain dead strategy.
I have included this in my mod at a 50% effect but maybe this would be too much for the official balance.
A 20-30% damage reduction to Commanders could be suitable, what do you think?
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It's not prevalent in high rated lobbies cause this tactic is an easy way to lose as well
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@Sainse bro im 1700-1800 it happens all the time, some players get to 2k rating out of air snipes, but rating isnt the problem.
Put aside winning or losing and consider this, in a game that you enjoy playing and spend 30 mins in lobby you will be removed from that game in 10 minutes.
It can backfire in fullshare games for shure, but most times its the highest rated players getting wacked so it usually ends the game.
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@Caliber I'm 1700 too, it doesn't happen all the time. It's easy to scout and requires simply making ints or flaks to counter. Not a rocket science really
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@Sainse said in Reduce T2 Air Snipes:
It's not prevalent in high rated lobbies cause this tactic is an easy way to lose as well
Not really true. Its not done because its a rat move that ruins the game
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I just foed sui for this exact thing just made corsair whole game killed like 5 players
players under shields and flak still died in one pass
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Now that sounds like a fun replay to watch. ID?
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@IndexLibrorum that would just provide a reason for people to comment on play, im not looking for advice like you should have built more flak bla bla.
Im just trying to suggest that it is too easy in team games to abuse T2 Air, that is all.
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bad idea to make these weird exclusive rules like air units dealing less damage to ACUs only. its just confusing.
however, i am on board for a t2 air nerf. is there anyone that isnt? -
@waffelzNoob not exlusive
Overcharge limited at 400 damage to ACU
ACU explosion limits stucture damage to 80
Theres probably more examples but thats all i can think of right now.
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@Caliber there are multiple which are not limited to the ACU, yes. Such as ASF armor so the CZar beam doesn't oneshot them.
But the point is that the last thing the balance team wants to do is to add yet another exception. It's non intuitive and makes the game more complex so it's the last option you wanna go with. -
@Caliber said in Reduce T2 Air Snipes:
@waffelzNoob not exlusive
Overcharge limited at 400 damage to ACU
ACU explosion limits stucture damage to 80
Theres probably more examples but thats all i can think of right now.Just for the sake of completeness:
• Overcharge also does 800 dmg to buildings
• Shields also inherit their armor type from the building that produces the shield. So overcharge would do different damage to different shields
• Firebeetles deal less damage to other firebeetles
• Czar deals only 33% dmg to ASFs
• Yolonna oss used to unable to kill itself but that could have been fixed
• Also no unit can damage itself (with very minor exceptions)
• Nukes ignore shields, but not personal shields afaik
• What does do friendly fire and what does not is all over the place, and afaik how it works with bombers was added using armor types, but not surei think it is kinda cool that satelite is no longer indestructible and has its own HP, so it is no longer an exception
Edit: i think there is enough weird stuff already, don't want to add more.
it is kinda weird how corsairs or nothas turn from completely useless vs commanders to deadly depending on if enemy commander is dodging or not. -
@Caliber said in Reduce T2 Air Snipes:
Theres probably more examples but thats all i can think of right now.
there you go that's the problem you can't think of them all, and it'll be even harder if we introduce more
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@waffelzNoob The reason they exist is because they improve gameplay.
Saying you dont want more is like saying you dont want more money because you dont want to count it.
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I dont think its good enough reason not not do the nerf only vs acu just because there are already too many special rules. The fact is that t2 air is currently (imo) a problem regarding snipes. But you could also argue the same for t3. Maybe have the commander have a general resistance / armor against all air to ground? Still a "specical" rule but not as bad as if it only was t2
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ACU umbrella upgrade
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From a different perspective: what if interceptors are easier to produce, perhaps faster (yes, strategic bomber I am on to you) and higher fuel capacity to allow them to be more capable against tech 2 units?
The opponent can of course do the same and make additional interceptors too.
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I suggested the damage reduction to commanders only as I thought it was a good way of producing the desired effect with no changes to other units for minimal disruption to balance.
I suggested the T2 air change as this is the most abused method, T3 requires a much larger investment and is therefore less abusable.
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Special rules are terrible for the game, they should be actively pruned not added to. Problem with t2 air is that it’s balanced with the context of 1v1 where there is drastically more t1 air in existence and there is a singular ACU point of failure. Make it “properly balanced” in a 5v5 teamgame and you have ruined one of the most common ways to punish greedy misplay in 1v1 and 2v2.
It’s not much different than the relation t1 spam has between bigger teamgames and 1v1/2v2.
Frankly as I see it this is a meta skill issue, people just don’t wanna make t1 air in teamgames and get punished by a dude that gets to throw 10k mass in intervals around the map.
If you want to accommodate it, lower t2 bomber hps by 200 hp so swift wind is now more OP and janus all in is fully removed from the game.
Honestly isn’t this literally just a corsair complaint thread? It takes 12+ janus to even begin to reliably snipe an ACU and notha isn’t very different. I don’t see any gunship as problematic for ACU snipes. If corsair is the problem then make it way more reliable at shooting so it’s way easier to dodge.
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UEF is probably the only exeption to this.
Gunships are probably even stronger as they cant be dodged.
You say make T1 air like the other team hasnt figured they can also make T1 air.
These players rush T2 air so they have it before you have T2 land to make flak, also flak takes much longer to get to the front so not usable.
The only real thing you can try is spamming T1 Land AA but is not great.
