•When you build something, game remembers that and does not let you build in that place anymore.
(for example you could use cheats to teleport building away, but as long as building is not dead, game will not let you build in that place)
•When you upgraide any building, old building gets removed and replaced with new upgraided building. And while this happens, game forgets that that old 1rst building was build. New building that was spawned on top does not get the same treatment as newly build one and there is no extra mechanism to prevent building
•Usually players can't order to build buildings on existing buildings, but AIs can, sometimes they block their upgraided factories by placing stuff inside factories.
Players can use "repair" hotkey on a building's wreck to give order, even if wreck is on top of other building. however it should not interfere with model of that building... not sure how that works, but you can't just build things inside other thing, but there is lots of empty space around factories where you can build
•you can do some cool weird stuff with that
IT WAS ALL DONE WITHOUT CHEATS, i didn't teleport things inside other things, i actually build it this way, and it can be reapeated with cheats off.



•That is only the beginning tho!
I found out that it is often not consistent.
Sometimes i can fit storage in the corner of the factory, and sometimes i don't


However if all factores are placed next to each other in a grid - then they all are acting similar, in a way that you can build storage in the same corner (i just didn't build all of them on this creenshot, but only 2 storages on the left are buildable for those factories)

•So i have been testing that for long time but im gonna skip all the failed test attempts... here is test that reavealed the mistery
•Making a big grid of dead t1 AAs

•1rst test susbject coordinates 0x0 (mesured in pds with 0 at the top left pd xD), 2 layer of pds are buildable on the left, 1 layer at the bottom

•second subj, coords 0x1, 2 layers at the left, 1 layer at the bottom but only partually... weird actually

•3rd, 0x2, now it gets different, and i am able to build on top

•4th, 0x3. weird that those two pds were not buildable now

•5th. 1x0. so changin horisontal position changed my ability to rebuild PDs on factory sides now

After that it was clear that factory's position on invisible grid affects your ability to rebuild things inside of it, witch was kinda werid...
also it repeats itself at least once in avery factory lenght i think... didn't check that for sure, and didn't check if it repeats itself more often... maybe like every 2 1 pgens or so maybe possible.

not many uses for that i guess, can probably try to fit storages and factories next to mexes, but need to know beforehand if you can do that with certain mexes or not. The fact that id depends on position kinda makes things simpler. also makes things insanely more fun for people that would try to recreate what you are doing but not placing things exactly in the same place LOL.

maybe you could fit more shields in the same area and fit tele-defence in the same area at the same time but it requires you to build things and then ctrl+k them and then build on top of them without reclaiming and then upgraide what you have build and then rebuild from wrecks.. not easy, and not cheap

Edit: Testing was hard not only for me https://youtu.be/NhIr38iKFac that poor SACU lost its mind

long waiting times to get an opponent
inability to watch replay while searching ladder
Both of these combined means that i can't make ladder streams unless i play some other game while wait for ladder.

I like that units survive for some time after ACU death, it gives you a chance to get a fair draw.
E.G. when enemy ACU walks under shield in your firebase and finishes your low HP commander
Or when someone teleports to your teledefence and you have something like few t2 pds and few t3 gunhsips, he is surely dead, but he can kill you fast and it may take time to t3 gunships to kill enemy com....
Or when you get sniped cause you are sligtly out of position with your army, you explode but your army is just 1 sec away from reaching enemy ACU and killing him

It also shows player the lore of the game, player will realise that after he died he no longer can issue any commands

Aeon TMD projectiles (those spheres that they shoot up) also divert mercy shots, however TMD will not launch it's sphere when it sees mercy shot so you need your opponent to launch missiles at you while also trying to mercy you

You can counter paragon by not playing dual gap

mod that would prevent you from acccidentally canceling your HQ by assisting other factory with the HQ

remove power drain from mass extractor, so stalling power does not kill your mass income

i think it is a brainless tanks. i mean if your engineer is idle you 98% of the time want it to reclaim stuff, and for 2% of the time we can make this behaviour togglable. (engineer should still be shown as idle tho)
1% cases when you don't want to reclaim but want to rebuild
and 1% cases when you don't want to reclaim cause you have full mass bar

So i would agree to this change being added.
i guess it is just slow and old people like me that have no "select idle engineer" hotkey, are jealous to young prodigy pro players that can simply press hotkey and alt+right click in random direction once and get rid of all idle engineers once every minute.

i don't see how game would get played by itself since engineer will not move and there will no be reclaim in it range most of the time (is this how we view this change? i don't want my idle engineers to move, lol)

But there are other things:
Who is gonna code that? check for bugs?
Is it even possible to do that and keep engineer shown as idle with our limited possibilities? (we can't change anything related to game engine)

How much performance impact it is going to create? who is gonna test that?
Should engineer stop reclaiming when storage is full? 80% full?
i mean engineers that we have right now can't stop reclaiming when storage is full. They only stop starting to reclaim new things, but if some engineers started reclaim it will not stop unit they finish even if they waste mass

Suggestion. Is that possible to implement?

https://youtu.be/g4aK097RM8I Mr. Smith launches a TML at enemy acu and send in Jesters.
Silvergun is on red HP, he is standing still making t2 shield, shield is like 90% done, TML is sure gonna hit.
BUT!!! antiair hits TML, TML SPLITS, EACH SMALLER MISSILE DEALS 501 DMG WITCH IS STILL ENOUGHT TO KILL HIM, BUT AA HITS ONE SMALL MISSILES AS WELL!
Then camera zooms out revealing that it was last ditch snipe attempt from Mr.Smith and Silvegun won the game cause his aa hit TML twice

Full playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWe0mYs3ObwLKxDD7-K1jdj8Rl-bM30AQ
Best plays playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIwKk1Z5BqbycswD9smtT1TdqaYwBZCbF
Petric's survival double billy redirect https://youtu.be/JaCimrhr-bo
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ--xE6CUShGxeSlY8VBknFv7-30vCvfh

@nex said in Why would you have left FAF?:

@zlo said in Why would you have left FAF?:

Current inputlag is 500 ms

huh interesting
my brain somehow had this number 150 saved for some reason.
Well with 500ms input lag assuming the sim tick "lag" comes on top that is currently 50ms on average (100 max) so you could reduce the input lag by 5-10%, by doubling the sim tick rate.
Doesn't sound like a good trade tbh.

i think the inputlag is mostly defined by the ping that users usually get.
i am not sure but it is just if ping is higher than inputlag then the game will start to feel laggy, choppy and stuff like that.

@nex said in Why would you have left FAF?:

@blodir the current tick rate is 100ms tho, so doubling(halving) that to 50ms will only give you a marginal increase in responsiveness compared to the current 150(?) ms of input lag

Current inputlag is 500 ms

(BAR players say that they don't like that aspect of FAF)

@blackyps said in Why would you have left FAF?:

yeah if I understand this correctly it essentially means that people will fall behind further and further until they are several minutes behind. So this doesn't sound like a feasible solution at all.

But this does mean that game only lags for a lager instead of lagging for everyone and game does not freeze when someone has lost connection.

it also may be considered to not be feasible that everyone lags when 1 of the 16 players lags.

it also allows players to spectate the game without lagging it to much

in Beyond all Reason i have seen as much as 50 spectators in 16 vs 16 game, or about 60-70 in 8v8 game

yes it does mean that you can fall behind by any number of seconds or minutes
but it does sound fine to me for casual games
in comparison for game being unplayable

also in BAR 8v8 someone can crash for example on minute 30
and players can decide to wait for him to launch the game again and catch up or just take his units and keep playing and if he will logs in again and load the game again and catch up to other players they can give him his base back.

in tourneys i see this fall behind feature be less desirable... but can probably make game pause automatically if players fall behind more than by 2 sec or something like that.

in case of sim lag i think in BAR it works that game does slow down to wait slow PC players but not always... it depends and idk how exactly it works there

Tho idk why were are discussing this here... don't think we can add this functionality to FAF

my problem with this is that you can't know for sure if your nuke gonna hit right area or gonna collide with some mountain

you mean putting your sub under your factory and then surfasing it? didin't know you can do that

@yew said in This is how you get more people to play ladder:

Run a poll on it, and implement some democracy to this open server. See what the players actually want. If >60% of players don't want 5x5 maps in ladder then ban them.

this can give quite surprising results, cause last time we had those polls most voted maps were balvery mountains (two maps) and other 5km maps were popular. and most people wanted small, simple maps.

I think current system with more maps and more complex maps as you get more rating is quite good

i get some equilibrium flashbacks from this.

i think that might be an issue for all amphibious units, they often can be right clicked by frigates while they are underwater

kicking and arguing with people adds toxisity imho. and wastes time. would be nice if they just could not change faction and can choose to leave if they don't like it.
Tho ofc it defends on how easy it is to implemets

@tankenabard said in Delete nothas:

How do people use the Notha that makes them particularly effective?

groundfire inbetween 2 t2 mex on dualgap
840 metal (afaik thats the cost of 2 nothas) investment kills 1800-2800 metal in one shot (2 t2 mex and maybe also 5 storages

if there are just ringed t2 mexes then it is t2 mex+4 storages to kill in 1 bomb from 2 nothas wich is 1700 metal

They are aslo dealing like 1250 damage, so 10 of then can one-shot ACU
and if they miss they don't die from 1 hit from aa, they can even fight air and go for other targets on second pass or groundfire your com if you have managed to dodge
So if you don't pay attansion to your ACU constantly you may just suddenly die
and they don't have range limit like mercies have
And it does work vs high rated players if they don't expect it

They can also bomb t2 flack, tho probably worse than corsairs, they are great at killing TMD and eco structures

They 2 shot all t2 pgens (other t2 bombers can't do that)

so the answer is that if you send 2 nothas and they drop just once on a ringed t2 mex then they are already very effective
You can just keep sending random nothas from different sides and keep killing eco
most players can't properly split their air and if they are chasing one notha you just attack with them on other side of the map... and if opponent does split their air they risk loosing air as you maybe able to kinda bait them on your nothas
They also have decent speed and even have radar
Decent HP so maybe you can repair then in refueling stations after doing 1 bomb drop on enemy army that has aa or after an air fight

just dodge their bombs and don't make t2 mex or t2 power