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    Jip
    last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 20:01

    How is that achieved 🙂 ?

    I personally don't use the minimap or cartographic view in general, but the original appears to be clearer to me then the mapgen version. The contour lines are difficult to see in the mapgen version.

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      Sheikah
      last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 20:10

      The scmap has settings for the colors as well as the spacing of the contour lines

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        Sheikah
        last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 20:11

        And admittedly it was implemented when the textures of the mapgen weren't as precise as they are now

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          Saver
          last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 20:23

          gpg map

          auch mal fünf gerade sein lassen

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            FunkOff
            last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 22:09

            I think the comparison images are unfair because the second image has way more units/structures which obscure the terrain.

            That said, I think I like the mapgen version better. The contour lines on the GPG map are more clear, but elevation isn't important to know. I think the mapgen version makes it more clear which areas are passable by land and which are not, and obviously higher areas are lighter. This is much better.

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              nine2
              last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 22:59

              Mapgen 100% and yes the comparison is unfair

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                Saver
                last edited by 4 Dec 2023, 16:51

                @FunkOff OK, that's true too

                auch mal fünf gerade sein lassen

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                  BlackYps
                  last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 10:23

                  Thank you for your input. What I got so far is that the contour lines on mapgen maps make it easier to gauge the steepness of the slope. While trying to get better comparison screenshots I noticed that the terrain colors definitely need to be adjusted as they go from white to pure black. If a map has no mountains this happens:
                  Screenshot 2023-12-05 013101.png

                  I'll try adjusting the colors while keeping the contour lines and then I'll be back with some better comparison pics

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                    nine2
                    last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 12:37

                    It would be nice if comparison picks were taken on same map.

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                      nine2
                      last edited by nine2 12 May 2023, 12:42 5 Dec 2023, 12:40

                      Check out the map of Loki here. It's so clear what is going on. https://forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7573
                      2686f4b6-7625-4808-a88a-78f0e576468a-image.png

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                        nine2
                        last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 12:44

                        The most important thing to show is unpassable cliffs. Height is just a bonus. Water is important too. If you have all that, contour lines are just noise.

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                          TheVVheelboy
                          last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 13:03

                          I don't know, this loki map is utter garbage imo. Can't even look at it without having urge to vomit.
                          The Mapgen minimap from the OP is imo the best. Could use some tweaking to show unpassable terrain better, but it's hand's down the best one so far.

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                            BlackYps
                            last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 14:27

                            Here is a mapgen map with the water and ground color adjusted to fit the gpg maps:
                            Screenshot 2023-12-05 150936.png

                            And here is the same map with gpg contour lines for reference:Screenshot 2023-12-05 150702.png

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                              maudlin27
                              last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 17:18

                              Mapgen looks significantly better to me based on the latest comparison; I’d suggest editing the op to link to that comparison as I was leaning towards the opposite view based just on the previous mapgen minimaps, and some people may not read the whole thread when responding

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                                BlackYps
                                last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 14:38

                                The change is now part of the latest mapgen release

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                                  FunkOff @BlackYps
                                  last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 22:22

                                  @blackyps This shows that the mapgen preview is far better than the GPG contour lines. At least for FAF purposes. (If I were an engineering designing a large structure, I might prefer the contour lines lol)

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                                    nine2
                                    last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 10:46

                                    That new preview is heavenly

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