The function of automatically building mass storage around the miners.
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I didn't know they assisted one engie
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Would love to see this changed away from being an assist order, there are many times where I manually use my mex ring template to avoid having a random assisted engineer that I now have to think about. So many times have I selected an idle engineer to do something only to realize later that it was assisted by several other engineers due to this, or accidentally canceled Mex storage orders by selecting a couple of the engineers and accidentally selecting the one that they’re all assisting. Kind of annoying.
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If an issue with a clear description as to what people want it to be can be made on Github before the weekend then I can get a version on FAF Develop with the altered behavior by Monday.
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Might also solve some weird bugs like your engies only building a few of the storages before moving on. Assist has always been buggy.
I also think it should be changed considering that 99/100 times you arent building storages with a t1 acu anyway. It adds way more issues than it solves
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I'm all for the change and can make a draft, testable on FAF Develop after next Monday. Someone just needs to make the issue on Github with the behavior that we all deem reasonable
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I like the assist function.
Not only the commander can assist, although unable to build it himself.
Also Mantis, Harbinger Mark IV and Siren Class are able to assist. (i am not sure how many player use that)So, unassist after building the storage would be my wish
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I don't mind it. With UI Party I can see which engineer is the "lead" engineer. Also I can see that be pressing spacebar.
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@uveso I'm not sure how we could time that. Also - the Siren class
?We could keep the assist function for units that can't build it themselves. Perhaps exclude the ACU, as it allows various other behavior / capabilities (have ACU and some engineers in the same selection, where the engies first make the storages and the ACU starts working on something else).
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I just tested it. Replay IDs #15507408 and #15507454
The Cybran Siren-class cruiser can assist the construction of buildings. I tested it with underwater mex upgrades and also with the construction of a T3 pgen on land (obviously, right at the water's edge).
It has 1 BP, exactly 1/5 of what a t1 engineer has. For a mex upgrading to t2, it spends 1 mass/second and 6 e/second, which is exactly 20% of what a T1 engie spends (5 mass and 30 e). Similarly, to assist a mex upgrading to t3, the engie uses 8 mass/second, and the siren uses 1.6. so, exactly 20%
The assistance does, as expected, increase the rate at which the upgrades complete
I think this is a bug, there's no in-game or lore reason why Sirens should have this ability.
I wondered if this might be because Sirens have air staging. So I tested other units/structures with air staging to see if they have the same bug (all t3 aircraft carriers, Atlantis, Czar, Fatboy, and the air staging structures). I was not able to replicate this bug with those other units. So there is something else going on with the Siren.
I wonder if the existence of a guard radius ("GuardReturnRadius = 130") makes a difference. Or perhaps it is the targeting laser weapon. Just a couple wild guesses. If I wasn't so lazy I could mod the game to remove the guard radius to test if that's what's causing it.
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Guardscanradius is not causing that, I will look into this.
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@arma473 said in The function of automatically building mass storage around the miners.:
I just tested it. Replay IDs #15507408 and #15507454
The Cybran Siren-class cruiser can assist the construction of buildings. I tested it with underwater mex upgrades and also with the construction of a T3 pgen on land (obviously, right at the water's edge).
It has 1 BP, exactly 1/5 of what a t1 engineer has. For a mex upgrading to t2, it spends 1 mass/second and 6 e/second, which is exactly 20% of what a T1 engie spends (5 mass and 30 e). Similarly, to assist a mex upgrading to t3, the engie uses 8 mass/second, and the siren uses 1.6. so, exactly 20%
The assistance does, as expected, increase the rate at which the upgrades complete
I think this is a bug, there's no in-game or lore reason why Sirens should have this ability.
I wondered if this might be because Sirens have air staging. So I tested other units/structures with air staging to see if they have the same bug (all t3 aircraft carriers, Atlantis, Czar, Fatboy, and the air staging structures). I was not able to replicate this bug with those other units. So there is something else going on with the Siren.
I wonder if the existence of a guard radius ("GuardReturnRadius = 130") makes a difference. Or perhaps it is the targeting laser weapon. Just a couple wild guesses. If I wasn't so lazy I could mod the game to remove the guard radius to test if that's what's causing it.
Top secret Cybran military intel here
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It’s a feature, it’s just part of cybrans lore of sneakyness that it remains undocumented
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Inb4 people complaining hoards of cruisers building harms is broken
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Not only the commander can assist, although unable to build it himself.
Also Mantis, Harbinger Mark IV and Siren Class are able to assist. (i am not sure how many player use that)So, unassist after building the storage would be my wish
That would still leave us with the issue that it could cancel your orders if you select a part of the group to do something else and you happen to select the primary engie.
Also having your mantis build mass storage instead of fighting seems like a very odd game decision to me. -
Imo, remove the assist feature for engies and just make each engie receive the proper set or commands, the only use case for it is the ACU so if you can add the assist functionality for it it would be useful, if it's not possible then so be it, you can assist manually with your ACU.
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I think the consensus is clear, but what about these situations:
- What if you have engineers of multiple factions (say, full share after gifting)?
- What if you have your ACU in your selection?
- What if you have Mantis, a Siren (!) or other units that can assist in your selection?
Tagada mentioned about the latter, what are other opinions?
edit: an initial version can be found here on Github
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And do we want similar behavior for t3 pgens and / or t3 fabricators, to be able to quickly cap them?
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no, since its allmost never used and cause actual damage if you accidentally click on your pgen
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Understood
