Cheating in SupcomFA
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It takes 2 second to change mods UID to fit the one from the whitelist. And you will never tell it was modified
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Speed; doesn’t nx2 files get changed whenever the game detechs, a difference between them and the host files? Or you mean base base game files?
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Client, not the game, but then you can build your own client version that wont care. Right now, just changing the files to read only does the job.
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You keep giving the same argument that they'll just replace an implemented UI mod with their modified mod, and then change over the UUID. My suggestion is that the client detects when a game is loaded and calls for a access token that is then generated by the integrated mods. When a game is issued as ranked, UI mods themselves are locked out from loading or being selected.
You can do exactly the same thing for the client, when they first log into the server to avoided non-authorised clients. Sure they can still go and hack the client, but at this point cheating is very difficult, and the community is to small for any sort of wide spread support the production of cheating mods that take that sort of effort.
As it stands anyone with basic knowledge of LUA can right now make a cheated UI mod and implement it with 0 restrictions. What I'm suggesting is not a "full proof" way. Its an "idiot proof" way. Basically it locks out idiots from being able to cheat the game.
You wouldn't even need an overly complex encryption key and you can base it fully on in game values, such as user ID. Parse the user name of the individual and then push it through an encryption module to generate a key that is then collected or sent to the server. As the server also has the user ID available it can do the same and match the code.
The qualm about work required is irrelevant. I'd be happy to contribute so long as I know it'd get implemented into the client.
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You need just a basic knowledge of Lua to create a simple mod. You need more to make a decent mod and you need to know the game quite well to create a cheating mod.
You twisted idea of cheating mods is your thing, but I doubt you'll manage to change FAF to support your crusade against UI mods. -
Speed, you calling SCTA not a decent mod! /SarcasmEmojiThatDoesn'tExist
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Psions, what UI mods do you see as being cheating?
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What you suggest is the equivalent of a no-cd protection. And these get hacked, even without being open source.
But the game files are open source and so is the client. We can spend 100 hours in building a solution, and it takes like 1 hour to remove it again. -
Would it be possible to increase the volume of acu teleport sound, or add a ping to the teleport in and teleport out animation and / or change the animation to a crossmark that covers a large area? Asking for a friend.
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No. Just git gut scrub.
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Joining in here to support Speed2 - you can quite literally add in files to the base game that hook into files with no way to detect their changes if these changes are UI-related. And if you can detect them then it is some lua code that is doing the detecting, which can be easily removed too.
To hook into (hurr) your example on snipe warnings: correct me if I am wrong but as far as I can see you cannot make such a system. You can see what the UI can access from the engine at:
Searching for units in the sim (as your post suggests) is not part of that.
You can find all kinds of (interesting) UI capabilities when inspecting files in /lua/ui, of which some (indirectly) do influence the sim - such as pausing units or changing the priorities of units.
I do agree that there should be a discussion on whether we make some of the UI mods more commonly known, such as Advanced Target Priorities (ATP) (that even without CPU sniping can still have a major impact). More commonly known in terms of: users get prompted for the existence of the mods on their first launch of the client, there is some tutorial / guide that tells these mods exist and that gets prompted on the first launch or they are automatically downloaded from the vault on your first launch so that if you ever scroll through the list of mods, you'll see them in there.
I'm not sure how applicable this is (and how desirable), but I think the existence of these type of UI mods should be communicated somehow. Not knowing about / not using a UI mod like ATP does give you a distinct disadvantage in my opinion, which can feel unfair.
A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned
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If it is felt that advanced target priorities is good for new players, then it gets integrated.
If it is felt that it isn't, then it stays as a mod.
Introducing new players to it as a ui mod defeats the whole purpose of it being separate. Now you give focus to this UI mod as something new players need to get better, when really it couldn't be a worse thing to focus on. It's like worrying about the title of your book when you can't even string two coherent thoughts together.
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@Jip keyser had a thread on the old forums about ui mods, having something like that in the new ones and maybe as a side link on the news in the client might be enough to let everyone know about them?
On that note, about the ATP that was integrated into FAF some time ago (the infamous snipe mode), is there any specific documentation on how the target priorities actually change when it is enabled?
Last time I tried to look for that I just got utterly lost.
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@FtxCommando: I absolutely agree that it is not the place to start learning the game and it is not what I intended to say but I get how you can read that out of it. I just think players should be informed that these mods exist at some point in some manner. It is hard to deny that these UI mods give you a distinct advantage in certain situations, therefore notifying players is only fair.
@deletethis: That is pretty much what I mean, but then more easy to find!
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@Jip said in Cheating in SupcomFA:
@deletethis: That is pretty much what I mean, but then more easy to find!
A news post was made for that thread. It's now in the pinned news post of the news hub. We can always improve it and try to display it in a better way (automatic pm at 100 games or something similar), but it don't have a lot of idea on how to display that kind of stuff in a better way.
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You're right - it is in there! Well, then I'm all good. It is there for those that care. A PM of some kind would be good too - to show people there's more than they think there is.
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It seems to make a lot of sense if you received a pm with some handy links upon reaching some rating threshold for the first time. e.g., "Congratulations on reaching 800 rating for the first time! Here's some UI mods that players around your rating find helpful" with a link to chef Keyser's UI recipe. That way you don't overwhelm beginners but still keep players informed.
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I think that maybe a guide/article integrated into client's Tutorial tab would be an end goal but for now a link for forum posts is enough.
If I would make such a guide i would probably split it into 3
parts:
Essential uI mods:
SCB (after it's fixed)
Advanced reclaim view
Additional camera stuff; UI party
Basic ui mods:
Spread move
I don't have more ideas
Advanced ui mods:
ATP
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About the pm at X rating thing, I would've personally been furious to get such a message only after playing quite many games to reach the rating limit. I would've reacted along the lines of "so now you tell me these helpful UI mods exist?". I'd rather start playing with the proper tools from the get go than learn about them later on. Why not just have it as a FAQ post or something which would be decently visible to new and old players.
Similarly the effort to learn hotkeys was probably harder later on instead of from the start.
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Tbh I feel like this discussion is kinda pointless considering the FAF guide for newbies already have UI mods mentioned.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13S4nBDfcBK4WmFtykXGKNmvIPe9L2nbiriISpHNgE4U/edit
