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    What is going on with FAF?

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    • BlackYpsB Offline
      BlackYps
      last edited by

      The root cause is that last year someone started launching DDOS attack against FAF infrastructure. We had to implement significant changes to mitigate them. That's why originally nobody could even log in, after that nobody could see hosted games. We fixed these issues, but the connections during the game are still the weak link if they need to use a relay server, as that one can be overloaded by DDOS.
      I suspect that the attacker is targeting your tournaments now, as it seemed to be quiet for a while but today people reported a lot of connection issues.
      We tried using a professional provider of ICE relay servers, to improve relayed connections, but I am not sure what the latest status there is. One of the server admins would have to comment on that.

      We are all aware that we are losing players over this, but it is not a straightforward fix.

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      • RobogearR Offline
        Robogear
        last edited by Robogear

        Yes, this 100% happens during prime time or during major events, for example my latest tournaments, I receive messages from ddosers on the stream about the faf finally dying and all the players moving to other servers.

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        • ZeldafanboyZ Offline
          Zeldafanboy @Robogear
          last edited by

          @robogear

          What “other servers”?

          put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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          • TheVVheelboyT Offline
            TheVVheelboy
            last edited by

            The russian ones duh

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            • BlackYpsB Offline
              BlackYps
              last edited by

              We enabled the connection to our bought-in turn servers again yesterday evening, which should help alleviate the connection problems.
              They were disabled previously because we had to do some changes in our infrastructure to properly integrate them. With the server maintenance two days ago these got deployed, so we could enable them again.

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              • ? Offline
                A Former User
                last edited by

                How does the hacker know what to attack? SupCom is pier-to-pier. Can't players just connect to each other without your vulnerable nodes? Ignore me if I am talking nonsense.

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                • BlackYpsB Offline
                  BlackYps
                  last edited by

                  Many people can, but those that can't establish a direct connection need to use relay servers. These relay servers are known to the attacker because they need to be broadcasted to every player in case they need them. If the attacker then floods these relay servers, the legit connections over these servers degrade and manifest as lag in the game.
                  In a perfect world we wouldn't need these relay servers at all, but because the internet is a network of network it can be difficult to route through these network boundaries. People have all sorts of ways to connect to the internet. Through the physical cable in their house, their phone, starlink...

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                  • F Offline
                    FireMyth
                    last edited by

                    why is someone so intent on taking down faf of all things?

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                    • Brutus5000B Offline
                      Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
                      last edited by

                      Because we banned them for misbehavior and this is the reaction.

                      He said, "I've been to the year 3000
                      Not much has changed, but they live underwater
                      And your great-great-great-granddaughter
                      Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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                      • ? Offline
                        A Former User
                        last edited by

                        It is getting worse.

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                        • R Offline
                          Reckless_Charger
                          last edited by

                          So is it known who the individual(s) performing ddos attacks are? Have they also set up their own faf servers or are they entirely different groups?

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                          • DeribusD Offline
                            Deribus Global Moderator
                            last edited by

                            It is not

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                              VivalaRUS @Brutus5000
                              last edited by

                              @brutus5000 My point of view is that it's not just because of the ban. I think it's about the rottenness of people and the thirst for profit, I assume that they expect and hope that people will move from the faf to their created servers (and if you call a spade a spade, it's just a stolen idea of a "faf server"). And if people switch to them, then there will be donations. Such "people" will sell their Mother for money.... I do not see any other meaning of DDOS attacks (here a person loves the game and cannot play it, because there are technical failures, and "unexpectedly" there is an alternative, of course this player will go to play where there is an opportunity ...).I repeat, this is my personal opinion

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                                VivalaRUS
                                last edited by

                                For some, a faf server is just a competitor...

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                                • ? Offline
                                  A Former User
                                  last edited by

                                  I'd rather move to BAR than one of these servers while I wait for Sanctuary.

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                                  • S Offline
                                    snoog
                                    last edited by snoog

                                    I think I'm about ready for a break. Besides playing like absolute dogshit lately, the connection issues returned are just making the game nearly completely unenjoyable once again. I find myself spending more time in lobbys and incomplete games than actually playing these days.

                                    For your enjoyment, not even sure wtf is happening here:
                                    https://streamable.com/qr1mg6

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                                      TankenAbard
                                      last edited by

                                      I haven't had any issues personally, though I'm in the US playing with others in the US, is this an international problem? I'm not seeing it.

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                                      • SaverS Offline
                                        Saver
                                        last edited by

                                        Unfortunately I had problems yesterday. After three tries we stopped it.

                                        auch mal fünf gerade sein lassen

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                                          A Former User @TankenAbard
                                          last edited by

                                          @tankenabard Interesting. I am in Russia, and I have these problems. What if only relays close to Russia are under attack?

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                                            snoog @Guest
                                            last edited by

                                            @melanol said in What is going on with FAF?:

                                            @tankenabard Interesting. I am in Russia, and I have these problems. What if only relays close to Russia are under attack?

                                            Anecdotal experience, I feel like most of my issues are in games with Russians.

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