Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread

@zeldafanboy said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

Almost everything in this patch is moving toward homogenization. Most of the navy and torp bomber stuff is good, but increasing vision range, lowering the variance of structure HP (although its good SAMs are getting nerfed they were crazy tanky for no reason), making the Cybran com tanky, reducing hoverbombing yet again, removing GC omni, lowering laser DPS... eh.

Kinda feeling this way too. Feels like the factions are somewhat losing their uniqueness lately.

@snagglefox said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

@zeldafanboy said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

Almost everything in this patch is moving toward homogenization. Most of the navy and torp bomber stuff is good, but increasing vision range, lowering the variance of structure HP (although its good SAMs are getting nerfed they were crazy tanky for no reason), making the Cybran com tanky, reducing hoverbombing yet again, removing GC omni, lowering laser DPS... eh.

Kinda feeling this way too. Feels like the factions are somewhat losing their uniqueness lately.

Even though this isn't really constructive feedback, I pretty much agree.

I can't even really put my finger on why, cause all of the recent balance changes and the ones in beta right now are individually improvements or, at the worst, just kinda neutral.

Still, I weirdly miss the oppressiveness of the cybran frig and the aeon destro and I can already tell that I'll miss the strength of torps too.

I mean I honestly agree with the sentiment. It isn't just the uniqueness of the factions, but nerfing things that have strong powerspikes dulls the game as a whole. Some changes in beta (like decreasing the hp of mex/storage, mass cost of strats, and so on) hopefully counteract this effect by making the game a bit sharper. Hopefully in future balance patches we get to look more at creating greater factional differences where it really creates interesting gameplay (unlike mex hp differences) and perhaps new powerspikes.

well.

i, for one, had been complaining for years that the GC omni was pointless and pretty much the only function seemed to be to give the middle finger to cybran cloak coms.
no tears shed from me on that change.

laser change seems strange though. Are we meant to intuitively know that the laser on a com is now less strong than a monkeylord laser?

You think the laser coming from that is about as strong as the laser coming from ACU chest?

yes?

The commander laser was already worse than the ML laser because it's on a shitty firing bone that constantly hits terrain or just doesn't fire on targets randomly

Are we going to complain next that the beam on Uashavoh, Uttaushala, and Neptune does not deal the same damage?

@deletethis said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

Are we going to complain next that the beam on Uashavoh, Uttaushala, and Neptune does not deal the same damage?

Yes

Better example is billy nuke not being a nuke tbh

@SpikeyNoob Not sure where to post bugs we find in the beta, so I'll just post them here:

The upgrade sequence stealth -> nano -> ras on the cybran ACU bugs out the chest upgrade slot. Not only does the ras upgrade get automatically cancelled, you can't upgrade anything on the chest afterwards, not even cloak, and are stuck with nano forever.

here is a 90 sec sandbox replay demonstrating that: https://replay.faforever.com/20240464

@cheeseberry Thanks for this will look into it.

@ftxcommando

make it so

I'll be honest... I'm not a fan of the economy structure HP changes.

With the decrease to reclaim, which makes raiding parties more effective;
Then with the next changes on top of this - You'll lose your economy structures too easily,
then they leave so little reclaim.

It feels as if the factions are losing their uniqueness.
The HP difference for each faction's pgens or mexes is now practically meaningless.

~ Stryker

@comradestryker said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

I'll be honest... I'm not a fan of the economy structure HP changes.

With the decrease to reclaim, which makes raiding parties more effective;
Then with the next changes on top of this - You'll lose your economy structures too easily,
then they leave so little reclaim.

It feels as if the factions are losing their uniqueness.
The HP difference for each faction's pgens or mexes is now practically meaningless.

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~ Stryker

Tbf the hp diffs were already in some sense meaningless. Like maybe someone really good has at some point thought "oh the enemy is UEF, so I will now choose to not send a raiding party because their mex has more hp", but that has never occurred to me. Yes it obviously makes a pretty significant difference, but it felt still like it wasn't impacting practical decisionmaking very much.

Gosh flip it. Now I need to rework my Excel spreadsheet that tells me how many mercies I need to snipe each faction's T3 mexes.

It does matter sometimes. TMLing Cybran factories/T3 mexes, corsairing T2 pgens and mexes, T1 factories tanking damage, T3 air grid volatility and needing either 3 or 4 strats to kill a full HP pgen, mass left after TMLing T3 mexes, bombing T1 pgens with some bombers, wall HP when bruteforcing walled T1 PDs. That's all I can come up with.

@ftxcommando said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

You think the laser coming from that is about as strong as the laser coming from ACU chest?

Meanwhile when I use same logic for things that in fact matter you dismiss them as "real life lore". Your response.

For context the topic was: underwater units should not be able to get damaged by manually groundfiring surface of water above them, which is far bigger and more unintuitive problem than maser upgrade doing same damage as monkey (considering they are the same weapon).

Bro is unaware my problem is when people use realism as the central component of their justification

There is nothing being stated about laser on ACU being worse for gameplay, it's just whether it's intuitive or not. And my argument is that it is intuitive because ML has a fat ass gun that obviously looks intimidating compared to an ACU getting a dinner plate on its chest.

@mach said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

@ftxcommando said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

You think the laser coming from that is about as strong as the laser coming from ACU chest?

Meanwhile when I use same logic for things that in fact matter you dismiss them as "real life lore". Your response.

For context the topic was: underwater units should not be able to get damaged by manually groundfiring surface of water above them, which is far bigger and more unintuitive problem than maser upgrade doing same damage as monkey (considering they are the same weapon).

And you still somehow can't understand that applying 2010 logic to 3576 year weaponry is just stupid. I said it hundred times but why can't the payload used be capable of damaging or straight up diving underwater?

Also, there's way better case here considering how the weapons look lmao. Small laser on chest vs massive rotating gun on ML.