Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar

Apparently this is the buoy:

It instantly crashes the game to desktop when I try to spawn it 🙂

A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

Why don't these scouts have sonar, to begin with?
Is it due to it being like a faction ability of sorts?
Or balance?


~ Stryker

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I suspect it is because it has always been like this, nothing too special.

A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

We need to find Jessica St. Croix and David Tomandl immediately

put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

Honestly, just give it slightly bigger omni radar as compensation for lack of sonar.

How much larger?
Because I don't think that a slighter larger Omni radius would help solve the lack of sonar situation.
It would have to be a considerably larger radius. 15 - 20% or larger, I imagine.


~ Stryker

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The issue is actually quite simple - intel ranges are spherical - and you need to account for the altitude of the air unit - and the depth of the naval units. This has always been the case, which is why the attempt was made to implement something like sonar buoys - unfortunately, it littered the game with many more entities, which choked performance, so it was never revisited.

To properly utilize sonar, on the air scouts - the sonar range would need to take the above mentioned values into account - and it would look very wrong, as far as the range rings are concerned. The best implementation I have seen, comes from BrewLAN, which creates an invisible appendage attached to the air unit, but simply hanging well below - and a sonar entity is attached to that.

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put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

It would be really cool to see if these buoys could make a return, but it seems unlikely, as @Jip mentioned.

In hindsight, however...
I don't think it'll actually be as useful as having the sonar on the unit itself, as the plane can move much faster and therefore be able to cover a larger area quickly.

That is, unless the Spy plane is dropping a buoy that covers the size of a 10 x 10 km area or even just multiple buoys.


Nevertheless, if this ability is ever brought back to life somehow - obviously with some tweaking and all - I'm sure it'll make a great addition to FAF.


~ Stryker

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If we want it as a community then it is possible. But it requires to determine how it should function.

A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

It should function as intended -
I imagine it is just like placing down a temporary T1 Sonar, no?


~ Stryker

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for temporary part, it could use fuel passively and destroy itself once it runs out, like mercies

@jip said in Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar:

If we want it as a community then it is possible.

Where can I throw in my vote?!
Count mine in!


@mach said in Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar:

for temporary part, it could use fuel passively and destroy itself once it runs out, like mercies

Sounds like a really neat idea.
Though, I imagine they should be destroyable by units, too - unless it's a completely passive thing like T1 Walls?
(Where enemies can't auto-attack but can manually target, perhaps?)


~ Stryker

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Cybran has radar stealth, give UEF T3 scouts jamming, give the Seraphim scouts a temporary vision bubble where they crash, give Aeon scout a larger Omni radius.

At the very least I think giving sonar to these spy planes would be reasonable.