Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar
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I just noticed this a few days ago, too.
Would be a nice feature, but arguably... not really needed as Omni does the same
~ Stryker
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I mean, they have OMNI for that so it's not like you are clueless when looking for them.
Also pro tip, sonar doesn't have to be placed in the same pond to find units in it's range. -
Is there a difference in using omni or sonar for that?
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The Omni range is about 1/5th the size of the sonar range on cybran and seraphim scouts. It makes avoiding scouts very easy
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Just realized, this does make a difference when scouting for underwater targets, such as Coms and whatnot.
It's easier to spot them as they or whatever is underwater, remains shown for a longer period of time because of the sonar.Example:
~ Stryker
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Fun fact:
--**************************************************************************** --** --** File : /cdimage/units/UEA0302/UEA0302_script.lua --** Author(s): Jessica St. Croix, David Tomandl --** --** Summary : UEF Spy Plane Script --** --** Copyright © 2005 Gas Powered Games, Inc. All rights reserved. --**************************************************************************** local TAirUnit = import("/lua/terranunits.lua").TAirUnit -- The torpedo is a temporary implementation of the ability to launch sonar buoys. -- Currently, a torpedo is dropped into the water that transforms into the buoy. -- Once we get proper "alt abilities", we can switch the buoy creation to use that system. local TANTorpedoAngler = import("/lua/terranweapons.lua").TANTorpedoAngler ---@class UEA0302 : TAirUnit UEA0302 = Class(TAirUnit) { -- Disabling for now, while Design decides whether they want this functionality -- Weapons = { -- BuoyLauncher = Class(TANTorpedoAngler) { -- FiringMuzzleBones = {'Projectile',}, -- }, -- }, } TypeClass = UEA0302They were experimenting with the UEF spy planes to be able to drop sonar buoys
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That's pretty cool!
Any idea of what it actually looked like in-game?
Would it be possible to bring back?
~ Stryker
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Apparently this is the buoy:
It instantly crashes the game to desktop when I try to spawn it
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Why don't these scouts have sonar, to begin with?
Is it due to it being like a faction ability of sorts?
Or balance?
~ Stryker
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I suspect it is because it has always been like this, nothing too special.
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We need to find Jessica St. Croix and David Tomandl immediately
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Honestly, just give it slightly bigger omni radar as compensation for lack of sonar.
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How much larger?
Because I don't think that a slighter larger Omni radius would help solve the lack of sonar situation.
It would have to be a considerably larger radius. 15 - 20% or larger, I imagine.
~ Stryker
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The issue is actually quite simple - intel ranges are spherical - and you need to account for the altitude of the air unit - and the depth of the naval units. This has always been the case, which is why the attempt was made to implement something like sonar buoys - unfortunately, it littered the game with many more entities, which choked performance, so it was never revisited.
To properly utilize sonar, on the air scouts - the sonar range would need to take the above mentioned values into account - and it would look very wrong, as far as the range rings are concerned. The best implementation I have seen, comes from BrewLAN, which creates an invisible appendage attached to the air unit, but simply hanging well below - and a sonar entity is attached to that.
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Hanging appendage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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It would be really cool to see if these buoys could make a return, but it seems unlikely, as @Jip mentioned.
In hindsight, however...
I don't think it'll actually be as useful as having the sonar on the unit itself, as the plane can move much faster and therefore be able to cover a larger area quickly.That is, unless the Spy plane is dropping a buoy that covers the size of a 10 x 10 km area or even just multiple buoys.
Nevertheless, if this ability is ever brought back to life somehow - obviously with some tweaking and all - I'm sure it'll make a great addition to FAF.
~ Stryker
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If we want it as a community then it is possible. But it requires to determine how it should function.
A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned
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It should function as intended -
I imagine it is just like placing down a temporary T1 Sonar, no?
~ Stryker
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for temporary part, it could use fuel passively and destroy itself once it runs out, like mercies
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@jip said in Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar:
If we want it as a community then it is possible.
Where can I throw in my vote?!
Count mine in!
@mach said in Give UEF and Aeon t3 scouts sonar:
for temporary part, it could use fuel passively and destroy itself once it runs out, like mercies
Sounds like a really neat idea.
Though, I imagine they should be destroyable by units, too - unless it's a completely passive thing like T1 Walls?
(Where enemies can't auto-attack but can manually target, perhaps?)
~ Stryker
