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    Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
    last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 13:39

    I'd rather like to know why it's possible to repair a super complex ASF in a staging facility but there is no repair station for a simple T1 tank

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      FtXCommando
      last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 13:53

      Repair station for land units sounds like a pathfinding noobtrap

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        Femboy Promotions team @FtXCommando
        last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 14:15

        @ftxcommando I'm already getting PTSD thinking about tanks trying to access a repair station lol.

        I think land units are more expendable than air so it's normal for them to not be repaired / re-fueled.

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          Valki @FtXCommando
          last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 14:20

          @ftxcommando said in **Platinum question**:

          Repair station for land units sounds like a pathfinding noobtrap

          I suggest we add ground units to the game with the ability to repair other units within range with some kind of beam. Maybe one for each Tier.

          Better not make this ability too expensive or nobody will use it and forget it even exists...

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            OmniHaven @Valki
            last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 14:32

            @valki Im confused, have we not used engineers before????

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              CPTANT
              last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 15:22

              Repairing ASFs for zero cost is not a good feature at all. It ensures that whoever loses the air battle will have an even harder time coming back, making t3 air even more dominant.

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                Azraaa @The_Janitor
                last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 18:24

                @hinthunter said in **Platinum question**:

                @ovo in general to prevent plebs from patroling the whole map, if anything I would reduce amount of fuel for some units to make air staging more viable, not by much tho.

                What are you even talking about lol, that's not the reason at all. It's too add strategic depth to the air game, so air planes are intended to have bounding limits. It starts to appear on larger maps because it's a feature intended to work better and better as the Map grows. Also air staging is viable either way because repairing air units for example

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                  Azraaa @FtXCommando
                  last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 18:26

                  @ftxcommando said in **Platinum question**:

                  Repair station for land units sounds like a pathfinding noobtrap

                  You can create an aura around such a station if you were to even consider adding that. The aura would essentially be a range in which it repairs and such like being attached to the actual staging fixes those clumping issues and such.

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                    snoog
                    last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 20:21

                    If no fuel, then infinite range mercies. Good idea anyone? No, didn't think so.

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                      Exselsior @snoog
                      last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 20:22

                      @snagglefox I’m ready to sneakily snipe the enemy air player with a mercy rush on setons

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                        ANALyzeNoob @Azraaa
                        last edited by ANALyzeNoob 20 Sept 2021, 21:09

                        @azraeel That's a great idea. If it was a whole aura affecting tons of units that might be kinda op depending on the speed it can repair. The larger the aura is the easier it is for pathfinding but the stronger the unit is. Or it could be basically a hive that repairs one thing at a time and then we know exactly how powerful it is for the cost. Either option might work fine. And I think then the repair building would have to be unable to assist the construction of something new, or else it would break the balance. Also it could be designed to be only able to repair units, or units and buildings.

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                          arma473
                          last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 21:58

                          @snagglefox said in **Platinum question**:

                          If no fuel, then infinite range mercies. Good idea anyone? No, didn't think so.

                          That would barely make a difference, given how vulnerable mercies are to being shot down. It's not like it's easy to keep 5 mercies around for 10 minutes or fly them all the way across the map.

                          And even if you eliminate fuel requirements for other units, there's no reason that means mercies need to have fuel requirements eliminated. Mercies are already different in that they can't refuel or regenerate fuel.

                          I prefer to keep fuel requirements as-is, it encourages people to think about what they're doing with their planes and encourages people to make air staging. It makes the game a bit more complicated but not in a bad way.

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                            thecore
                            last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 23:13

                            I think some AIR units (such as T3 ASF) need to curry less fuel, units like T3 boomers tend to only have one trip.

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                              Valki @thecore
                              last edited by 21 Sept 2021, 06:11

                              @thecore yeah, either nerf fuel tanks or remove fuel all together. Current system is pointless for many unuts.

                              Alternatively, could we let units consume more fuel when fighting?

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                                KaletheQuick @Valki
                                last edited by 21 Sept 2021, 13:27

                                @valki Just thinking abstractly here, but what if it was like a shield? As in fighting and taking damage lowers it, and It only regens under the refueling conditions. Abstract it further and have their guns stop firing when they are out of fuel. Maybe change their out of fuel mode, or bingo fuel mode to a slight speed boost to facilitate them escaping to be rearmed. Then it could be harder to actually kill enemy air units, but more advantageous, so you might have to think a bit more about ways to get those kills.

                                But how, ideally, does everyone imagine refueling stations working? Like don't think of balance, lore, code practicality, what fun and depth could they add to the game?

                                In my mind, they would boost aircraft effectiveness in a way that requires them to return. Semi-tethering them to an area. Imagine (well, first image that the air staging is just faster in general), T2 gunships who's first volley is triple damage, triple AOE. Viable for snipes here and there, but on the defensive being pushed back to their FOB they can return quicker and quicker to the front line with racks of missiles. Or T1 interceptors have speed just below that of spy planes, for 20 seconds. Allowing them to actually intercept stuff. ASF maybe with a different ability, higher AOE when fueled, or additional homing missiles... With AOE. I like AOE.
                                Then bombers that need to be ordered to bomb, but then rearm.

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                                  Valki @KaletheQuick
                                  last edited by 21 Sept 2021, 16:24

                                  @kalethequick No need to overcomplicate it, being out of fuel means their speed and maneuverability sucks and they are sitting ducks.

                                  For bombers in particular it could be used to have aircraft behave like in Command & Conquer. Needing to refuel between strikes. Having air stages means more sorties per time unit.

                                  The best use for this would probably just as another knob to be turned to finetune balance. For instance if people are unhappy with the current state of bombers, they could be restricted by fuel to only 3 bombing runs before pausing but made a lot tougher in return.

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                                    KaletheQuick @Valki
                                    last edited by 21 Sept 2021, 16:58

                                    @valki said in **Platinum question**:

                                    @kalethequick ~ sorties

                                    Oh yes, I love that word.

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                                      FtXCommando
                                      last edited by 21 Sept 2021, 17:07

                                      By making bomber tougher and lowering their fuel you're just massively buffing hoverbombing micro and hugely penalizing anyone that doesn't babysit their bombers.

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                                        KaletheQuick @FtXCommando
                                        last edited by 22 Sept 2021, 00:58

                                        @ftxcommando Aw shit. And I really hate hoverbombing.

                                        Would any of the other ideas work do you think?

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                                          FtXCommando
                                          last edited by FtXCommando 22 Sept 2021, 02:08

                                          All these ideas are about buffing air when air is already really strong by using fuel as some sort of extra damage mechanic. If anything a more robust fuel mechanic would be related to allowing air units to become significantly more powerful as the reason they must be weak to any level of investment in their counters (aa, fighters) is related to their ability to attack anything from anywhere. If that isn’t true anymore then they can be made more durable with more damage.

                                          No idea what a reasonable amount of fuel is and what the level of buff it allows would be, but in general I’d rather not convert air into land-like balance where you take away the thing that makes it unique. All I want from air balance is some sort of AOE t3 fighter to disincentivize asf blobs and introduce some level of counterplay in late air.

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