Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread
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the changes you propose are even harder nerfs to tele
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@funkoff said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:
Also, importantly, the nerf doesnt even do that much to stop it there is a lake or sea near an enemy base or acu which could be used as a safe intermediary jump point before and after the kill jump
That is the intention probably?
It's not so that you simply can't get a useful telemazor off (which your changes would do), but so that the enemy has more time to react to it.
so if you need 2-3 hops to get to the enemy base, then your opponent will have more time to react to the teleport and will also possibly be alerted by the sudden appearance of a radar signature. -
Just make it so you cant tele inside anti nuke radius. You can then buff tele however you like to be better in other situations. Job done.
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I would like to see how a warning pops up like nuke, could do it when the tele starts or when you actually tele
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You already get a warning when you actually tele, it's the sound of the laser killing you.
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@veteranashe said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:
I would like to see how a warning pops up like nuke, could do it when the tele starts or when you actually tele
That's a great way to make sure tele stops being useful snipe tool. Now everyone can just walk away or get countermeasures ready in no time. Making sure that you will never come back from the tele attempt.
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If the warning prompts right when tele happens I'm not sure on countermeasures.
If tele warming prompts at the start You can get tele just to mess with people by clicking tele and cancelling
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@veteranashe Make it uncancellable
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I actually like the idea of telesnipes as a late game win option. It's desperate, and it's not very difficult to stop.
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Can't remember if I mentioned this before but make a constant move order like patrol but you don't stop moving, ever. A lot harder to snipe in general
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It seems like the game is being taken over by people who are anti-snipe. Over the years, Firebeetle Drops, Mercies, T3 bombers, and now Telemaser have all been gutted. People just want to sit back and play simcity
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pulling a fast one on people is a great feeling.
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What's with the constant fear of creating something new that's good? You see the current issue with uef shield is that it's too expensive for the hp so the solution is to make it cheaper but also make it shittier in survivability again? It's supposed to be some mongoose upgrade when half the boon of mongoose is the speed which you now can't use because they are tethered to an ACU that has a more expensive but shittier survival upgrade in every way than Aeon?
If the point is testing things out in beta why don't you err on the side of making things good enough to actually break the meta inertia and use the new toy rather than it being too bad aside from 1 in 3400 game scenarios but when that scenario actually arises you forgot the upgrade exists to actually test it out.
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The balance team doesn’t want the inevitable blowback when people start dying and losing rating to the new good thing in the days/weeks before people discover counterplays. It just causes more stress and work for them with regards to keeping FAF humming along and growing. People can drop games over stuff like that. Nobody playing now is going to drop the game because it’s still mostly like it was X years ago. That’s kind of the appeal.
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https://patchnotes.faforever.com/fafbeta.html I've updated the beta Patchnotes page for what is live on FAFBeta
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@ftxcommando said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:
What's with the constant fear of creating something new that's good? You see the current issue with uef shield is that it's too expensive for the hp so the solution is to make it cheaper but also make it shittier in survivability again? It's supposed to be some mongoose upgrade when half the boon of mongoose is the speed which you now can't use because they are tethered to an ACU that has a more expensive but shittier survival upgrade in every way than Aeon?
If the point is testing things out in beta why don't you err on the side of making things good enough to actually break the meta inertia and use the new toy rather than it being too bad aside from 1 in 3400 game scenarios but when that scenario actually arises you forgot the upgrade exists to actually test it out.
Meet cybran nano. To this day there are enough people (Also 2k+ players) that think it's still as OP as the first iteration and those people are still complaining about it even though it has been nerfed massively compared to how strong it used to be.
Aside from that i honestly don't know how you came to this conclusion. You're cherry picking the mass and hp changes the uef shield, even though the biggest changes are focussed on the e cost, regen and recharge time
This makes it have a faster recharge time than first aeon shield, which is widely considered to have an insanely good recharge time.We don't want to underbuff units yes, but obviously we don't want to overbuff them either and try to get their stats as accurately as possible from the get go. Aside from that i do intend to rather overbuff than underbuff units so it's easier to get data (especially since it's beta), but as you yourself know we have 0 data on the current shield which means it's harder to estimate how it will behave in a game.
I think this is still a big buff compared to the current UEF bubble shield. Will it be enough of a buff since it's bad atm? who knows. Sadly due to a lack of github enthusiasts this suggested bubble change that was decided on the 1st of october isn't in beta yet so we haven't been able to test it to see whether it needs further adjustments or not.
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@TheWheelie I've made the changes, I am just awating Tagada to Approve
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Will do so when I come back home
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Im curious why didnt uef bubble shield just carbon copy the personal sheild except the bubble part?
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@thewheelie said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:
Meet cybran nano. To this day there are enough people (Also 2k+ players) that think it's still as OP as the first iteration and those people are still complaining about it even though it has been nerfed massively compared to how strong it used to be.
Smh just showcases everyone else gets COOL stuff on the first go around but not uef! And honestly that just goes to prove my point, people abused it because it was good and it seamlessly flowed into meta because people were already comfortable with considering it in their game flow. I don't even think most people think of bubble shield as an option because every implementation has hovered around "at best, ultra omega rarely viable." Granted, part of that is because it is filling in at a really competitive upgrade timing for UEF while Cybran nano didn't actually have much competition.
Aside from that i honestly don't know how you came to this conclusion. You're cherry picking the mass and hp changes the uef shield, even though the biggest changes are focussed on the e cost, regen and recharge time
This makes it have a faster recharge time than first aeon shield, which is widely considered to have an insanely good recharge time.Well, it should. It's a bigger target that is taking more damage. It's also less HP (on a bigger target) and costs more (so you get it later). I didn't focus on much of that because it seemed to be at total tension with the mongoose point I read on the github issue. If it lowers super fast, how is it protecting my mongoose mix? How will my mongoose mix protect my ACU as the shield is down and needs to recharge? Why would I ever do this if parashields exist, are cheaper, are easier, and do not carry the inherent malus of tethering my mongoose to basically the slowest unit of the theater? In t3 stage it doesn't matter because that isn't fast enough to make it matter against anything larger than 3 mainline t3 units, same as Aeon shield recharge is irrelevant at that point.
We don't want to underbuff units yes, but obviously we don't want to overbuff them either and try to get their stats as accurately as possible from the get go. Aside from that i do intend to rather overbuff than underbuff units so it's easier to get data (especially since it's beta), but as you yourself know we have 0 data on the current shield which means it's harder to estimate how it will behave in a game.
I think this is still a big buff compared to the current UEF bubble shield. Will it be enough of a buff since it's bad atm? who knows. Sadly due to a lack of github enthusiasts this suggested bubble change that was decided on the 1st of october isn't in beta yet so we haven't been able to test it to see whether it needs further adjustments or not.
I think it's a giant misstep for the use of bubble shield in the scheme of the game and just seems like an attempt to buff range bots with anything besides actually buffing the units. All it really does is drag a potentially decent upgrade (for t3 survivability) down to the level of range bots rather than raising anything about the bots or the upgrade.
