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Please remove dark red from the color options in TMM

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    TheVVheelboy
    last edited by TheVVheelboy 18 Sept 2023, 20:20

    One is very, very, very dark. The other is eye killing bright red. Maybe need to get new monitor?

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      waffelzNoob
      last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 21:04

      if the game requires someone to buy a new monitor when they otherwise have no issues with their monitor its probably a game issue lol
      that said i only struggle seeing what units are with dark blue or dark purple, unless i wear my glasses

      frick snoops!

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        RedX
        last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:03

        Dark purple is awful, especially trying to find AA in an opponent's army. But yeah I genuinely don't see how you'd have a hard time differentiating the 2 red colors. That said, perhaps you'd benefit from switching to team colors mode? That just shows all enemies as the same color and all allies as the same color.

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          TheVVheelboy
          last edited by TheVVheelboy 18 Sept 2023, 22:05

          Yeah, but those colours are nowhere close to each other. And considering he says he have perfect visions it seems like he is playing on some shitty laptop from 2010 or some fucked up monitor that needs replacing.

          And yeah, I would be much more willing to agree about dark blue and dark purple as they are way closer to each other than those 2 reds imo. And look close to each other when using low brightness.

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            RedX
            last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:07

            My complaint with dark blue/purple is not so much that they're close together (although I can see how that would be a problem) but rather that there's unsufficient contrast to quickly identify what a given unit type is. The unit type icon needs to use white lines instead of black for dark colors.

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              Ctrl-K
              last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:08

              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5266/change-tmm-colors-to-be-more-legible

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                RedX
                last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:25

                Woah I didn't know about the right-clicking on the team colors button. I probably won't use it, but it's really cool that it's there for those that may need it!

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                  FunkOff @TheVVheelboy
                  last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:49

                  @endranii You are misinterpreting. I can tell my units apart from my ally's, what I can't do is tell my artillery from my tanks... at least it takes a lot longer than it should.

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                    Sylph_ @FunkOff
                    last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 22:55

                    @funkoff said in Please remove dark red from the color options in TMM:

                    what I can't do is tell my artillery from my tanks.

                    Hang on, it's the enemy that's dark red, yes? Your artillery and tanks should both be blue.
                    I'm also failing to understand this, I think.

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                      FunkOff
                      last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 23:14

                      No, in the snip, my color is dark red. Also, it would still be a problem if my ally or my enemy was dark red for the same reason that it's hard to distinguish land units from other land units.

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                        Sylph_ @FunkOff
                        last edited by 18 Sept 2023, 23:34

                        @funkoff AH! I used ctrl+e to put team colours on...
                        That way, I'm blue, allies are light or dark green, and enemies are light or dark red.

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                          TheVVheelboy @FunkOff
                          last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 00:35

                          @funkoff said in Please remove dark red from the color options in TMM:

                          @endranii You are misinterpreting. I can tell my units apart from my ally's, what I can't do is tell my artillery from my tanks... at least it takes a lot longer than it should.

                          Oh, that makes way more sense. And while I don't have that problem while playing at over 10% of my screens brightness I do struggle a tad bit when it's all the way down. So it seems to be mostly contrast issue for some screens or brightness levels.

                          So yeah, now I fully get what you mean. Imo, instead of just removing the colour it might be better to maybe introduce a second set of "outlines" and "inlines" for the darker colours. So that instead of the black on dark colours we get something more visible for them.

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                            RedX
                            last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 06:22

                            I'm not entirely sure how the icons are rendered, is it possible that the lines could be made white for some darker colors? Or is that hardcoded/part of the engine?

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                              BlackYps
                              last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 09:42

                              The game uses the same set of icons regardless of color. There is no functionality to provide a second set for dark colors, so sadly this is not possible

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                                Reckless_Charger
                                last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 10:36

                                There various mods with custom icons if you are having difficult distinguishing units

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                                  IndexLibrorum Global Moderator @FunkOff
                                  last edited by IndexLibrorum 19 Sept 2023, 14:24

                                  @funkoff said in Please remove dark red from the color options in TMM:

                                  @endranii You are misinterpreting.

                                  That's a funny way of saying "I didn't explain my problem clearly in my post, sorry."

                                  Generally agree though, as well as with some of the other comments about similar colours.

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                                    myEmperor
                                    last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 17:48

                                    You can use mode/redact some game files to change color. Have no idea how to do that, but that's definitely possible

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                                      clyf @IndexLibrorum
                                      last edited by 19 Sept 2023, 19:30

                                      @indexlibrorum

                                      That's a funny way of saying

                                      Let's not choose violence. His suggestion that a lighter color be used made it unambiguous in the way he intended. An assumption was made in the replies that everybody else wrongly got on board with.

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                                        FunkOff @clyf
                                        last edited by 22 Sept 2023, 19:36

                                        @slicknixon Indeed. Whether or not I am the dark red color player in the original screenshot is irrelevant, the dark red color is still terrible and should not be used.

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