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    veteranashe
    last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 12:39

    Where is the nano upgrade at for cybran? Middle?

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      Sladow-Noob @TheWreck
      last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 13:39

      @thewreck wdym gunships always took damage when killing explosive buildings. I remember losing a campaign over a year ago cuz 70 Restos just died due to a grif 4head.
      I thought that was a known fact

      Inactive.

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        waffelzNoob @Sladow-Noob
        last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 15:20

        @sladow-noob restos fly lower than other gunships, if im not mistaken
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        frick snoops!

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          ComradeStryker @Rowey
          last edited by ComradeStryker 17 Jun 2023, 18:44

          @rowey said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

          @comradestryker can you also add up what sera double nano is as well to get a fair comparison

          Sure thing. Here you go!
          These are Base stats without any level of veterancy:

          Sera Nano: (Stacks with Base ACU Stats)
          1,800 Mass
          +2,000 HP (Total = 13,500)
          +60 Regen (Total = 70 HP/S)

          Sera Double Nano: (Stacks with Nano)
          5,800 Mass
          +20,000 HP (Total = 33,500)
          +150 Regen (Total = 220 HP/S)


          Here are the stats in detail:
          (Format: HP / Regen)

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          For reference, here are the other two factions with (First) Nano and 5x Vet:

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          As you can see, for less than the cost of Sera's first nano upgrade (1,650 vs 1,800 mass),
          the Cybran ACU obtains:

          • Stealth
          • 2,000 more HP (15,500 vs 13,500)
          • 20 more regen (90 vs 70).
            These values were taken at base ACU Stats without vet, but, they remain somewhat constant per vet level up to max vet.

          If I may also add, though, a minor note...
          In the same exact time frame that a Sera obtains its first Nano Upgrade, Cybran can obtain both upgrades.


          @veteranashe said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

          Where is the nano upgrade at for cybran? Middle?

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          ~ Stryker

          ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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            Sladow-Noob @waffelzNoob
            last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 19:48

            @waffelznoob fr? Damn

            Inactive.

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              ComradeStryker @waffelzNoob
              last edited by ComradeStryker 17 Jun 2023, 20:00

              @waffelznoob said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

              @sladow-noob restos fly lower than other gunships, if im not mistaken

              All gunships (T1, T2 and T3) have an elevation of 10.
              At least... according to the FAF database.


              ~ Stryker

              ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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                Sladow-Noob
                last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 20:37

                We all do know that the database is highly accurate though, Kappa :imfine:

                Inactive.

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                  veteranashe
                  last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 22:14

                  Legit com, maser nano and gun or t3

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                    TheWreck
                    last edited by 17 Jun 2023, 22:22

                    Yay Cybran acu no longer insta loses to monkey com.

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                      Zeldafanboy
                      last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 02:44

                      Almost everything in this patch is moving toward homogenization. Most of the navy and torp bomber stuff is good, but increasing vision range, lowering the variance of structure HP (although its good SAMs are getting nerfed they were crazy tanky for no reason), making the Cybran com tanky, reducing hoverbombing yet again, removing GC omni, lowering laser DPS... eh.

                      put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                        snoog @Zeldafanboy
                        last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 12:00

                        @zeldafanboy said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

                        Almost everything in this patch is moving toward homogenization. Most of the navy and torp bomber stuff is good, but increasing vision range, lowering the variance of structure HP (although its good SAMs are getting nerfed they were crazy tanky for no reason), making the Cybran com tanky, reducing hoverbombing yet again, removing GC omni, lowering laser DPS... eh.

                        Kinda feeling this way too. Feels like the factions are somewhat losing their uniqueness lately.

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                          CheeseBerry @snoog
                          last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 12:50

                          @snagglefox said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

                          @zeldafanboy said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

                          Almost everything in this patch is moving toward homogenization. Most of the navy and torp bomber stuff is good, but increasing vision range, lowering the variance of structure HP (although its good SAMs are getting nerfed they were crazy tanky for no reason), making the Cybran com tanky, reducing hoverbombing yet again, removing GC omni, lowering laser DPS... eh.

                          Kinda feeling this way too. Feels like the factions are somewhat losing their uniqueness lately.

                          Even though this isn't really constructive feedback, I pretty much agree.

                          I can't even really put my finger on why, cause all of the recent balance changes and the ones in beta right now are individually improvements or, at the worst, just kinda neutral.

                          Still, I weirdly miss the oppressiveness of the cybran frig and the aeon destro and I can already tell that I'll miss the strength of torps too.

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                            Blodir
                            last edited by Blodir 24 Jun 2023, 13:33

                            I mean I honestly agree with the sentiment. It isn't just the uniqueness of the factions, but nerfing things that have strong powerspikes dulls the game as a whole. Some changes in beta (like decreasing the hp of mex/storage, mass cost of strats, and so on) hopefully counteract this effect by making the game a bit sharper. Hopefully in future balance patches we get to look more at creating greater factional differences where it really creates interesting gameplay (unlike mex hp differences) and perhaps new powerspikes.

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                              Dr-Soviet
                              last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 14:32

                              well.

                              i, for one, had been complaining for years that the GC omni was pointless and pretty much the only function seemed to be to give the middle finger to cybran cloak coms.
                              no tears shed from me on that change.

                              laser change seems strange though. Are we meant to intuitively know that the laser on a com is now less strong than a monkeylord laser?

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                                FtXCommando
                                last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 14:37

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                                You think the laser coming from that is about as strong as the laser coming from ACU chest?

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                                  Sladow-Noob
                                  last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 14:44

                                  yes?

                                  Inactive.

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                                    Zeldafanboy
                                    last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 15:53

                                    The commander laser was already worse than the ML laser because it's on a shitty firing bone that constantly hits terrain or just doesn't fire on targets randomly

                                    put the xbox units in the game pls u_u

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                                      deletethis
                                      last edited by deletethis 24 Jun 2023, 17:57

                                      Are we going to complain next that the beam on Uashavoh, Uttaushala, and Neptune does not deal the same damage?

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                                        snoog @deletethis
                                        last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 18:46

                                        @deletethis said in Pending Balance Changes Feedback Thread:

                                        Are we going to complain next that the beam on Uashavoh, Uttaushala, and Neptune does not deal the same damage?

                                        Yes

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                                          FtXCommando
                                          last edited by 24 Jun 2023, 20:59

                                          Better example is billy nuke not being a nuke tbh

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