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Some good news about Team Matchmaking (TMM)

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    nine2
    last edited by 15 Nov 2020, 10:24

    sounds great

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      Askaholic @archsimkat
      last edited by 15 Nov 2020, 10:29

      @archsimkat I’ll let @FtXCommando answer those questions as he is responsible for those decisions.

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        FtXCommando
        last edited by FtXCommando 15 Nov 2020, 10:38

        Likely to have 3 ratings
        1v1
        2v2
        3v3+

        Global has significantly more data (9/10ths of faf games are outside of ladder) which means the system has more information to go off of for its initial placement of players. I’d rather not have only 1/10th of FAF have placement data. The initial rating of players will also involve a sigma increase of 250 which should be more than enough of an adjustment for the vast, vast quantity of FAF players even if they never played a 2v2 before.

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          archsimkat
          last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 03:17

          Fair enough, I didn't realize that only 1/10th of FAF players have enough ladder games to give them usable placement data. Also, 2v2 ladder will be fullshare right? What about 3v3/4v4?

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            Lenkin
            last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 08:52

            This will be a breath of fresh air for the FAF. I will be happy to popularize TMM on streams and treat possible bugs with understanding.

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              FtXCommando
              last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 08:58

              Currently I plan on every teamgame using full share.

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                MrBeast
                last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 13:14

                Good news, time to search my own blood mate for 2v2's

                DONT BELIVE BH HE IS LIEING

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                  speed2
                  last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 13:18

                  soooooooo GW soon™?

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                    Morax
                    last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 16:25

                    In the words of Mando,

                    "This is the way."

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                      H-master
                      last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 19:43

                      Great work guys. I hope a lot of underplayed maps get more played this way.

                      Check out my maps here:

                      Madness 1 - 10

                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/480/h-master-s-maps

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                        JazzFunkNoob
                        last edited by 17 Nov 2020, 12:50

                        Is there already a draft for the Mappool? I suppose you @FtxCommando will be in charge of that as well?

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                          FtXCommando
                          last edited by 17 Nov 2020, 13:30

                          Yes I’m responsible for map pools.

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                            darkym
                            last edited by darkym 18 Nov 2020, 10:30

                            will there still be a "global rating" outside of TMM, and if not how can "setons players" or the like keep on playing the maps they like with fair/balanced teams?

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                              FemtoZetta
                              last edited by 18 Nov 2020, 11:43

                              "We are NOT deleting your global rating. Custom games will continue to function exactly as they do now (provided there are no bugs)."

                              Reading is hard.

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                                FunkOff @FtXCommando
                                last edited by 18 Nov 2020, 22:51

                                @FtXCommando Please for the love of FAF, include mapgen

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                                  archsimkat
                                  last edited by 19 Nov 2020, 06:34

                                  and crazyrush!

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                                    FtXCommando
                                    last edited by FtXCommando 19 Nov 2020, 06:40

                                    Actually I'm strongly against gimmick maps in map pools because they break my personal principle of a player being able to spawn in with full grasp of game mechanics and being able to iron out a strategy as well as a guy that has 1000 games on the map. Obviously experience has a lot of value and it's impractical to really expect such players to be competitive against one another, but the point is that everything is equal when you enter the game and survey what your options are.

                                    If I had a map that had one random crazyrush mex in the corner, then there's no real reason for you to realize that's a mechanic until it's possibly too late to adjust anything about your build to account for it. Same with the crazyrush map itself. You have no idea if these mexes are infinite, you have no idea if buildings block the script, you might have had no idea that the mexes even expand and blocked it with pgens at the start. It's BS as a player, like if every FAF map had 0 natural reclaim except this one map that is put into a pool every 3rd month.

                                    Of course it is put in tournaments, and that's mostly because people for whatever reason enjoy playing it. I just rationalize it as people knowing the make exists beforehand so it's a fair game since they should be expected to enter the tournament with a knowledge base of the maps in it.

                                    When it comes to map gen, it's the same criteria I had before. It needs to meet the same minimum baseline of quality that I require manual maps to reach.

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                                      Azraaa @speed2
                                      last edited by 20 Nov 2020, 00:55

                                      @speed2 said in Some good news about Team Matchmaking (TMM):

                                      soooooooo GW soon™?

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                                        KaletheQuick @Morax
                                        last edited by 20 Nov 2020, 02:53

                                        @Morax said in Some good news about Team Matchmaking (TMM):

                                        In the words of Mando,

                                        "This is the way."

                                        Is Princess Rhianne a joke to you? 😐
                                        Heretic.
                                        -.-

                                        You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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                                          KaletheQuick @FtXCommando
                                          last edited by 20 Nov 2020, 02:59

                                          @FtXCommando Would some kind of partial full share be possible? Where a portion of the killed players units are killed instead of transferred? Something to make killing a player slightly more impactful, if possible.

                                          You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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