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    In game chat dump from 631 711 replays and 23 929 players

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    • FemtoZettaF Offline
      FemtoZetta
      last edited by FemtoZetta

      There must be something wrong with the data because in my case it only includes like 10 lines and I have definitely said more than that.

      Or maybe 631711 replays is less than I thought. How far does it go back?

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      • N Offline
        Nooby @FemtoZetta
        last edited by

        @femtozetta there is nearly 15 million total replays

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        • FemtoZettaF Offline
          FemtoZetta
          last edited by

          So this is about 1 year?

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          • Brutus5000B Offline
            Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
            last edited by

            I would kindly request you not to analyse peoples chat messages and then publish names out of that.

            People did not consent to this and FAF could get in trouble for such a thing.

            For things like who played against whom, replays are a bad start. Its easier to scrape the api and put it in a graph database (SQL is incredibly inefficient on this particular kind of queies)

            He said, "I've been to the year 3000
            Not much has changed, but they live underwater
            And your great-great-great-granddaughter
            Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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            • KaletheQuickK Offline
              KaletheQuick @Brutus5000
              last edited by

              @brutus5000 Arent all the replays and their chat histories searchable by username? Like, publicly?

              You must deceive the enemy, sometimes your allies, but you must always deceive yourself!

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              • Brutus5000B Offline
                Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
                last edited by Brutus5000

                Your camera doesn't stop you to film other people. Yet if you upload a video to YouTube that is not allowed.
                Similar to IRC. You can keep a chat log of everything. But publishing it is a grey area.

                Just to get this right:

                • You are allowed to analyze this data for private purposes.
                • You are allowed to share insights (e.g. see the funny cloud diagram of most used words in chat)
                • You are not allowed to analyze single person behaviors or do a social rating and publish this (or basically do anything that relates back to a single user)

                If I see it on the official FAF platform anywhere I will remove it and give that person a warning (or have moderation do it).
                However, I cannot prevent you from publishing it elsewhere and if you do so and it falls back to us legally in worst case we'll have to take other measures whatever they might be (e.g. take down the replay vault as the final action if no other solution).

                That's why I'm asking kindly for now. Just let's stay out of trouble and everybody can still have fun.

                He said, "I've been to the year 3000
                Not much has changed, but they live underwater
                And your great-great-great-granddaughter
                Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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                • BlackheartB Offline
                  Blackheart
                  last edited by

                  2 questions from an amateur:

                  1. Could you upload a bigger dataset as well?
                  2. Is there some webservice or database or something where I can translate userid to username easily?

                  Ban Anime

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                  • T Offline
                    Tagada Balance Team
                    last edited by

                    The chat logs are already published in the vault so I don't see how this is any different tbh

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                    • Brutus5000B Offline
                      Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
                      last edited by

                      You don't see a difference between browsing through chat logs manually and mass-profiling single users and publish the results?

                      He said, "I've been to the year 3000
                      Not much has changed, but they live underwater
                      And your great-great-great-granddaughter
                      Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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                      • T Offline
                        Tagada Balance Team
                        last edited by

                        I mean, it's just presenting public information in a more organized and readable way. It's the same difference as instead of looking at rating changes from each game in the replay vault there is a tool that shows you rating changes of each user every day and other similar tools eg. Kazbeks tool that allows you to see what map a specific user plays. Yes, in theory, it can be used in a harmful way, idk shaming someone for thrash-talking people or swearing at them or something.

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                        • T Offline
                          Tagada Balance Team
                          last edited by

                          Not to mention commands like top words that achieve the same thing but on a smaller scale.

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                          • FtXCommandoF Offline
                            FtXCommando
                            last edited by FtXCommando

                            How would FAF not be liable for some information issue here?

                            They :

                            1. have made replay information public for everyone
                            2. have made a parser to allow you to, uh, parse this information and even included instructions on how to use it

                            No idea about Europe but in the US there is a liability doctrine that doesn't let you just give a person tools, say "don't do that bad thing with the tools" and then wash your hands when you put zero effort into making it difficult to actually do said bad thing.

                            The only thing FAF hasn't done is give you step-by-step instructions on how to download replays from the vault to then use the tool.

                            I mean I don't get the issue in the first place, do people have legal ownership over the words they write in game or something? Wouldn't this already make the replay vault a "legal liability" unless you requested consent before publishing any replay?

                            Also, "You are not allowed to analyze single person behaviors or do a social rating and publish this (or basically do anything that relates back to a single user)" isn't this essentially what moderation does? Don't report results get reported back to the person that made the report? That's a publication of the analysis of a singular person's behavior.

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                            • N Offline
                              Nooby
                              last edited by

                              I dont mean to have caused any legal trouble here, I was just interested in some data analysis. I should probably have started with things other than text chat first and gauge a response but text chat was the easiest for me to parse and make sense of.

                              from my perspective the information is already highly available in the replay vault publicly.

                              I do understand open source data can become sensitive when massed together.

                              Perhaps we need a disclaimer that replays and all information contained are available publicly? along with name history and rating history and anything else, ect? It has always been very obvious to me that they are but to others it may not be?

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                              • Fremy_SpeeddrawF Offline
                                Fremy_Speeddraw
                                last edited by

                                Legality aside there are clear morality concerns. A LOT of miscellaneous personal information is public on the internet if you try hard enough to search for it, but collecting and publishing it on public forums is not really ok. Argument that "it's already public" only stands up if you delve into technicalities. And if we had some certain moderator still active giving them this kind of idea would likely result into a mass mega ban or a big drama fest.

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                                • Brutus5000B Offline
                                  Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
                                  last edited by

                                  Everything is open assuming good will:
                                  a) don't misuse the data
                                  b) don't cause performance issues on the server

                                  As long as everybody behaves we're good. If I see misuse I'll shut it down / make it unavailable to the public.
                                  So far no lines where crossed, but I hope I made my point clear where the red lines are.

                                  So @Nooby you did not cause any trouble yet. I just tried to proactively step in before things go in the wrong direction.

                                  He said, "I've been to the year 3000
                                  Not much has changed, but they live underwater
                                  And your great-great-great-granddaughter
                                  Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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                                  • QuietJoyQ Offline
                                    QuietJoy @Brutus5000
                                    last edited by QuietJoy

                                    APOLOGIES THIS POST IS IN CODE FORMAT - it was the only way I could show my post while keeping the tabination of the word & count tables.. 🙂

                                    Currently learning python and decided to play with and analyse this dataset just out of curiosity.
                                    
                                    It contains 20,405,216 words, spread across 23,929 files (representing that number of games)  for a total data size of 112+MB
                                    
                                    I removed the 2,760,185 non English words as I am only able to speak one language. So that's all the Russian, German etc words removed.
                                    
                                    So there are 17,645,031 English words remaining, let's look at these.
                                    
                                    None of the following proves anything, I just thought it would be interesting to have a look.
                                    
                                    What are the actual most commonly used words?
                                    
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    to		1464477
                                    sent		1305978
                                    mass		743675
                                    energy		667411
                                    you		274816
                                    me		263903
                                    i		245113
                                    give		223129
                                    gg		179505
                                    can		151937
                                    the		131350
                                    
                                    Nothing too suprising there. Let's look at some other word counts now.
                                    
                                    Other words of note very commonly used:
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    air		92538
                                    units		83868
                                    lol		66198
                                    unit		60286
                                    t3		51683
                                    need		49956
                                    dont		48234
                                    why		30133
                                    help		25714
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    How friendly are the games?
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    pls		63084
                                    gl		41712
                                    hf		39946
                                    plz		26900
                                    ty		26191
                                    nice		26087
                                    please		26005
                                    glhf		19296
                                    thx		16672
                                    sorry		15812
                                    thanks		8638
                                    sry		5498
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    How toxic are the games? Actually, not as much as I might have worried..
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    fuck		21997
                                    shit		19482
                                    fucking		16963
                                    frustrating	16911
                                    fucked		6089
                                    ffs		5988
                                    damn		5585
                                    idiot		5494
                                    ass		3068
                                    asshole		800
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    What about issues in the game?
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    lag		13433
                                    re		19892
                                    kick		10327
                                    afk		5564
                                    lagging		5035
                                    eject		4792
                                    lags		4251
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    How often are the game enders mentioned?
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    nuke		28959
                                    mavor		13966
                                    para		6724
                                    paragon		3185
                                    scathis		4679
                                    yolo		4106
                                    novax		1669
                                    yolona		1296
                                    salvation	1047
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    And the experimental units?
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    spider		6160
                                    monkey		4272
                                    gc		4031
                                    chicken		2145
                                    fatboy		2340
                                    czar		1874
                                    mega		1650
                                    fatty		1335
                                    tempest		1188
                                    ahwassa		1083
                                    monkeylord	501
                                    megalith	473
                                    ythotha		449
                                    ripper		384
                                    atlantis	379
                                    asswasher	348
                                    colossus	312
                                    soulripper	55
                                    
                                    
                                    Which races get talked about most? Presumably due to asking for engineers to make Hives and Kennels:
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    cybran		13614
                                    uef		13065
                                    aeon		8793
                                    sera		5768
                                    seraphim	1088 (much faster to just type sera!)
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    How are the commanders referred to?
                                    
                                    WORD		COUNT
                                    ----------	-------
                                    com		11785
                                    acu		11555
                                    
                                    
                                    Does playing FAF give you headaches? Because ibuprofen is mentioned 187 times.
                                    
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                                    • FemboyF Offline
                                      Femboy Promotions team @QuietJoy
                                      last edited by

                                      @scout_more_often Dont apologize! This looks amazing dude! Could even make a graphic out of this data! a FAF interesting Chat Facts sheet!

                                      FAF Website Developer

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                                      • maggeM Offline
                                        magge Global Moderator
                                        last edited by

                                        Would be an interesting fun-fact news. The ibuprofen thing is funny.

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                                        • R Offline
                                          RedX
                                          last edited by

                                          How does one find their user-id?

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