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Introducing Mapgen Week on Ladder

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    Valki
    last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 7:19 AM

    A bold move, last to suggest something (more) drastic was nine with his forced TMM week.

    Has this been considered carefully with enough people? Isn't it safer to have it run on a separate matchmaker? I understood there are 6 slots in the client for matchmakers.

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      Rowey
      last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 8:54 AM

      its for 7 days if you dont want to play only mapgen jsut dont play that week then oit will go back to the normal ladder pool

      "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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        Valki
        last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 9:38 AM

        Ladder suffers from small queues at it is. TMM rating reset nearly killed TMM.

        Anything done must be done really carefully.

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          Xayo @archsimkat
          last edited by Xayo Aug 6, 2021, 12:05 PM Aug 6, 2021, 11:37 AM

          I think this is a great initiative, and it might make some people who like to play mapgen in customs games take another look at ladder.

          @archsimkat said in Introducing Mapgen Week on Ladder:

          I may make it an event only for particular rating brackets only, e.g. 1300+ or 1800+. Feel free to post any feedback here or message me on discord/FAF.

          pls no. Don't get everyone hyped up for mapgen with news and promotions, only for 50% of the players to realize that they can't participate.
          If anything I think mapgen is especially good for the lower rating brackets, as it forces players to adapt on the fly instead of doing the same turtle BO they always do.

          Mayble limit 20x20 map to higher rating bracket.

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            Resistance
            last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 11:40 AM

            not there're a milion ladder players there,really questionable if someone will stop playing ladder for good for the first "drastic" change for the last several years,just give it a go?

            queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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              Blackheart
              last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 12:12 PM

              Nice, great step in the right direction which is all competition done on generated maps! I think im gonna play some games if its still possible these days.

              Ban Anime

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                Valki
                last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 12:21 PM

                @Rezy-Noob I am pretty neutral on this and will play anyway, I am just asking if this was well thought out.

                One thing is communication, how will the silent <1k player group know this is a 1 week event and not a permanent change?

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                  BlackYps
                  last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 1:06 PM

                  By looking at the news I guess?

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                    Valki @BlackYps
                    last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 1:12 PM

                    @blackyps said in Introducing Mapgen Week on Ladder:

                    By looking at the news I guess?

                    Do you know how many people do?
                    But never mind, I am probably overly concerned about risks and details.

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                      FemtoZetta
                      last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

                      I think there should be info about this on the Matchmaking tab, just the news is not enough.

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                        Askaholic @FemtoZetta
                        last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 3:09 PM

                        @femtozetta probably true, but my guess is that would only happen if/when this or other matchmaker events become more of a regular thing.

                        I really like the idea of having matchmaker events happen for specific time periods and I’m glad to see someone making it happen with the tools that are already available.

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                          gugalgz
                          last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 3:13 PM

                          Good initiative Arch, looking forward to playing some mapgen only

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                            Morax @Valki
                            last edited by Morax Aug 6, 2021, 6:58 PM Aug 6, 2021, 6:33 PM

                            @valki said in Introducing Mapgen Week on Ladder:

                            A bold move, last to suggest something (more) drastic was nine with his forced TMM week.

                            Has this been considered carefully with enough people? Isn't it safer to have it run on a separate matchmaker? I understood there are 6 slots in the client for matchmakers.

                            Just FYI arch ran this idea across the ladder team and we agreed that it would be interesting to see how it goes. One week should be plenty a sample size to get an initial reaction, and we will react to feedback accordingly. For example, if there are pouring messages of disdain, we will cut it short; if there is a mix, we will wait to evaluate after the fact; if there is an influx of positive and excited individuals, we may introduce some "map gen months" and keep going.

                            The map gen feature is only recently something that gained mass popularity, and from my personal experience, am seeing it used more and more lately.

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                              Valki
                              last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 8:29 PM

                              Very happy to know this was carefully considered šŸ™‚ - as I said just overly concerned but perhaps also about FAF organization sorry @archsimkat

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                                Aulex
                                last edited by Aug 6, 2021, 8:51 PM

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                                  Deribus Global Moderator
                                  last edited by Aug 7, 2021, 6:02 AM

                                  I definitely think this should be for everyone, not particular rating brackets. There's no reason to host and advertise an event only to say "oh but only the top 10% of players can participate."

                                  Lower rated players (myself included) are less likely to have map specific build orders and gameplay styles anyway.

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                                    maudlin27
                                    last edited by Aug 7, 2021, 6:54 AM

                                    Good idea. However will the map size be weighted to be similar to normal ladder, or will it be 1/3 5x5 1/3 10x10 1/3 20x20? If possible (if not already done) I'd suggest it mirror the normal map pool weighting for a particular rating bracket.

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                                      ETFreeman
                                      last edited by ETFreeman Aug 7, 2021, 5:21 PM Aug 7, 2021, 5:18 PM

                                      Lololol
                                      That's gonna be really funny

                                      No whoring builds, pure fun and skill. Love it

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                                        waffelzNoob
                                        last edited by Aug 8, 2021, 12:52 PM

                                        A lot of people will love it, and a lot of people will hate it. Just like with every other decision on faf lol

                                        frick snoops!

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                                          Jip @waffelzNoob
                                          last edited by Aug 8, 2021, 12:52 PM

                                          @zwaffelnoob You just summarized life, nothing to do with FAF šŸ˜„ .

                                          A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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