My greetings

In a rare moments when i have free time to play the game I catch myself thinking 'why don't i go ladder right now?'
And in 70% cases inner voice says: "Wait, what if you got 20x20 map? Do you really want to sweaty macro play for the next 30-50 mins?
And then i just go to testing or other less stressful activity

So, to the point:
Why dont we let players choose map size in ladder?

Just let to choose 5x5, 10x10, 20x20 or any combination of these
and calc rating separetely for each map size

What we gonna get?

• Incresed ladder online: its easier to go ladder on your favorite map size

• Less time to found a match Just result of prev. For a high-rated players it's quite difficult to found a ladder match, and this'll help them (just pick all the categories, not one)

• More fun Just because some people adores 5x5, some hates. Now every player will be more happy

What we gonna lose?

• Simple one-for-all-maps rating After ladder dividing we will got even more rating numbers (one for each map size). May be that looks not very nice (and will make rating system more complicated), but in fact this doesn't create any discomfort in the game for the players

Actually, i don't see other disadvantages
Well, may be after this change we'll must increase ladder map pool, but that doesn't seem like a serious problem

So, what do you think?

make stealth field and delete aeon t2 army when he is pushing you, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDYryiuNzw

@keyser how sera can push on t2 when his army dies from overcharges faster than any other?
other factions have either sheilds or cheaper units or both of it
overcharges are the reason why sera can push vs enemy com only on early t3, with some shields

until that sera has to avoid enemy com unless he has a way bigger army

@jip As i wrote, we can have 3 separate rating for each map size
Just more detailed info about the player, tho
Here and now i (we) actually play not equal on different map size, with that change we just will know more precisely, how big is the gap

And when you will host global lobby you can check the player skill on hosted map size, isnt that cool? (well, only if he's playing ladder, but stilll)

@Auricocorico i dont want to choose the map, i wanna play random
i dont want to host the lobby
i dont want to play with the same dude each time
i dont want to wait too much
global rating is bad for describing 1x1 skill, so in global i have no guarantee for decent battle even if our ratings will be the same

i just wanna press the fkn button and play the equal match on random map, that's what the ladder system do

@ftxcommando veto system is a good start anyways
about "what rating level we’re taking about." - map preferences can be different for person on the same rating level

i am 1300 ladder now (formed 1450 but inactive for a long time)
love 5x5 10x10, dont like 20x20
but i got a friends with 1200 and 1800, that hates 5x5 and loves 20x20, for example
actually, i know 1 more dude with ~1300-1500 ladder (demonstreamer), who is also hates 5x5

and here people writes that 5x5 is good tho
so - different people loves different size, i think
map preferences are not depends only on rating

but for the noobie 5x5 maps can be more preferred, they're just simpler
that's my opinion, to know exactly we need to ask a lot of people or test it in practice

For now TML's shift is bugged and clearly broken

How to simulate bug:

1. build TML
2. Make some targets for it (i dunno, mb ground fire will be also bugged)
3. Order to launch rocket into few targets in a row
4. Cancel one order after every launch (to not launch two rockets into the same target)

So, basically after one-two launches tml just stands with an attack order and do nothing

I also tested it with cancelling order and giving the new one, still happens quite often

Fix it pls

Stays with an attack order and doesnt shoot forever

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Had inactive for about 6 months but i'll try my best

@Deribus said in Sera can't deal with enemy's guncom push on t2 without a bunker:

Solutions:
-Get your own gun, potentially with nano
-Rush T3 land for sniper bots, they're basically guncom hard counters
-Sera T2 air has the highest damage bombers. If the ACU is dodging bombs it isn't advancing as fast
-Sera has the most flak resistant T2 gunships
-Use zthuees to kill them during the upgrade
-First regen field effectively gives T1 tanks 33% more HP vs gun ACU

I'm sure there are plenty of others, but those are a few examples

1)gun is no solution, because you can't OC his units as him. They're shielded. Yours - not.
2)t3 factory is not a thing that you can rush fast enough to play t3 units on mid t2 stage. If you're going to t3 that fast - you will have no t2 spam at all, and you dead again (check it's cost and buildtime)
3)to play t2 bombers you should win the air first. I consider equal situation. Nothas can't win a fight vs t1 interseptors on equal mass, so if enemy has air spam on equal mass - nothas gonna drop 1 bomb, and then air fight happens, and you loses air.
4) same as 3
5) ridicolous. zthuees gonna die from him spam. arty cannot fight vs tanks on early game. And he's gonna upgrade on his territorry, not on my base
6) t1 spam is uselles against his t2 spam. (And t1 field effectively gives T1 tanks 0% more HP vs UEF 200dmg. gun)

any other?

@valki yea, i tried split attack too
even if i cancel first order after shot and give second split attack order immediately after - they dont shoot
have to repeat one order few times to just fkn launch them, that really sucks if you have to control other parts of map too

Ok. Lets compare UEF and Seraf. nano-regen ACU upgrade

UEF: 800m/24000e, +1500hp, hp regen +10->+50 (boosts regen +40)
Sera: 1800m/56000e, +2000hp, hp regen +10->+70 (boost regen +60)

So WHY does it costs so much?
Sera pays 2.25x of UEF regen's cost, but gains only +33% hp and +50% regen boost relative to it.

This kinda sucks, explain me please what balance team thought about when decided to write these numbers

@redhotchilipeper they're permanently cloaked for free, yes
but cloak doesn't help against radar

make stealth field and delete aeon t2 army when he is pushing you, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDYryiuNzw

@valki you have to wait few seconds, to understand, that tml doesnt shoot, then waste time again

every wasted seconds is a big disadvantage (in ladder, at least), so this clearly is not 'easy'

and yes, just these additional one-three seconds between launches (to understand, that tml is stuck and give order again) may be exactly what your enemy needs to build tmd and repel the attack

every second is matter

@napspan select all your bombers, give order to attack all targets while shift is pressed, then press spread attack (bind key for it in key bindings)

@valki yea, i tried split attack too
even if i cancel first order after shot and give second split attack order immediately after - they dont shoot
have to repeat one order few times to just fkn launch them, that really sucks if you have to control other parts of map too

For now TML's shift is bugged and clearly broken

How to simulate bug:

1. build TML
2. Make some targets for it (i dunno, mb ground fire will be also bugged)
3. Order to launch rocket into few targets in a row
4. Cancel one order after every launch (to not launch two rockets into the same target)

So, basically after one-two launches tml just stands with an attack order and do nothing

I also tested it with cancelling order and giving the new one, still happens quite often

Fix it pls

Stays with an attack order and doesnt shoot forever

@jip As i wrote, we can have 3 separate rating for each map size
Just more detailed info about the player, tho
Here and now i (we) actually play not equal on different map size, with that change we just will know more precisely, how big is the gap

And when you will host global lobby you can check the player skill on hosted map size, isnt that cool? (well, only if he's playing ladder, but stilll)

@Auricocorico i dont want to choose the map, i wanna play random
i dont want to host the lobby
i dont want to play with the same dude each time
i dont want to wait too much
global rating is bad for describing 1x1 skill, so in global i have no guarantee for decent battle even if our ratings will be the same

i just wanna press the fkn button and play the equal match on random map, that's what the ladder system do

@ftxcommando veto system is a good start anyways
about "what rating level we’re taking about." - map preferences can be different for person on the same rating level

i am 1300 ladder now (formed 1450 but inactive for a long time)
love 5x5 10x10, dont like 20x20
but i got a friends with 1200 and 1800, that hates 5x5 and loves 20x20, for example
actually, i know 1 more dude with ~1300-1500 ladder (demonstreamer), who is also hates 5x5

and here people writes that 5x5 is good tho
so - different people loves different size, i think
map preferences are not depends only on rating

but for the noobie 5x5 maps can be more preferred, they're just simpler
that's my opinion, to know exactly we need to ask a lot of people or test it in practice

My greetings

In a rare moments when i have free time to play the game I catch myself thinking 'why don't i go ladder right now?'
And in 70% cases inner voice says: "Wait, what if you got 20x20 map? Do you really want to sweaty macro play for the next 30-50 mins?
And then i just go to testing or other less stressful activity

So, to the point:
Why dont we let players choose map size in ladder?

Just let to choose 5x5, 10x10, 20x20 or any combination of these
and calc rating separetely for each map size

What we gonna get?

• Incresed ladder online: its easier to go ladder on your favorite map size

• Less time to found a match Just result of prev. For a high-rated players it's quite difficult to found a ladder match, and this'll help them (just pick all the categories, not one)

• More fun Just because some people adores 5x5, some hates. Now every player will be more happy

What we gonna lose?

• Simple one-for-all-maps rating After ladder dividing we will got even more rating numbers (one for each map size). May be that looks not very nice (and will make rating system more complicated), but in fact this doesn't create any discomfort in the game for the players

Actually, i don't see other disadvantages
Well, may be after this change we'll must increase ladder map pool, but that doesn't seem like a serious problem

So, what do you think?

Thanks for the tourney
Could it consist of two parts next time?
So many games in a row its just quite tedious

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ETFreeman (1400 ladder, 1590 global)
Had inactive for about 6 months but i'll try my best