Why would you have left FAF?
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Hard to say what it would compare to, my gut feeling was something closer to having prebuilt bases in ladder games or something to get rid of the early downtime.
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@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
it can be free forever
If everything is free, how can my friend and I try your project for free? A friend has seen enough of Yuri’s video and wants to try playing FAF, but to do this he needs to pay 5 times more than the game costs to an intermediary who will buy him this game since it is not sold in Russia. And spend a lot of time searching for an intermediary and corresponding with him (I bought the game 15 years ago and played on GPGnet)
We play, but only inGAF, there is no other option.For us ordinary players, it doesn’t matter whether you are a commercial or non-profit organization, we still have to pay and it doesn’t matter to whom, the fact is that access to the FAF project is paid.
If I have to make a choice, I would rather FAF become a commercial organization and SC:FA become completely free on Steam.
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Free as in speech, not beer.
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@nflanders said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
it can be free forever
If everything is free, how can my friend and I try your project for free? A friend has seen enough of Yuri’s video and wants to try playing FAF, but to do this he needs to pay 5 times more than the game costs to an intermediary who will buy him this game since it is not sold in Russia. And spend a lot of time searching for an intermediary and corresponding with him (I bought the game 15 years ago and played on GPGnet)
We play, but only inGAF, there is no other option.For us ordinary players, it doesn’t matter whether you are a commercial or non-profit organization, we still have to pay and it doesn’t matter to whom, the fact is that access to the FAF project is paid.
FAF is a community run project. You can technically use the client without having supreme commander installed. They're entirely separate entities. Blame your government for the increased cost to getting games on Steam.
If I have to make a choice, I would rather FAF become a commercial organization and SC:FA become completely free on Steam.
Well, I'm glad it's not up to you then. FAF would die if it became commercialized and cost money to use. No one would accept being forced to pay some fee for a small online community for a 16 year old game. I've donated hundreds by this point to FAF but I wouldn't pay if it was forced, and I'd guess I'm not alone on that.
Edit: Also, that's quite literally impossible for FAF to do since SC:FA isn't owed by FAF. We have zero control over SC:FA Steam or GOG price, but we require a proper purchase as legal protection for the FAF organization.
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@nflanders said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
it can be free forever
If everything is free, how can my friend and I try your project for free? A friend has seen enough of Yuri’s video and wants to try playing FAF, but to do this he needs to pay 5 times more than the game costs to an intermediary who will buy him this game since it is not sold in Russia. And spend a lot of time searching for an intermediary and corresponding with him (I bought the game 15 years ago and played on GPGnet)
We play, but only inGAF, there is no other option.For us ordinary players, it doesn’t matter whether you are a commercial or non-profit organization, we still have to pay and it doesn’t matter to whom, the fact is that access to the FAF project is paid.
If I have to make a choice, I would rather FAF become a commercial organization and SC:FA become completely free on Steam.
You can play in GAF, because they give a shit about copyright law and they people running it live in a country where they probably won't be sued for violating copyright law of a "western" company. This doesn't apply to anybody living in Europe or North America.
So players are required to pay the game which on sale costs like 2€ while all other games compared cost a lot more. Sucks, but what is the alternative?
a) Run your own copy of FAF and go the risk yourself. You can do this. This is exactly how GAF works.
b) Collect millions from other people to buy the game rights. But WHY would anybody do this without expecting a return on invest? Be it getting annoyed with ads until the end of the universe or dumbing the game down to reach wider audience or whatever. I think the playerbase prefers to pay off a small one time fee and be done with it.He said, "I've been to the year 3000
Not much has changed, but they live underwater
And your great-great-great-granddaughter
Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF" -
i know some guys buying ingame stuff for a browsergame worth hundreds of euros. i would pay a small mothly prize for faf if it really helps. my 2 cents
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@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
Sucks, but what is the alternative?
What if we start negotiations with Nordic Games?
But who will negotiate? Is there an excellent diplomat in the FAF structure who is capable of such a task?For example, you can offer joint development of a battle pass. In-game cosmetics for ACU. In exchange, they will make SC:FA free.
If you don’t know where to start, you can consult Chris Taylor. He has extensive experience interacting with publishers. I think he will not refuse help and will tell you how best to negotiate.
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Been there tried that. And tried it with people who had money and the will to throw it at the problem. Let’s not turn FAF into a subscription model, thanks.
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@nflanders said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
Sucks, but what is the alternative?
What if we start negotiations with Nordic Games?
But who will negotiate? Is there an excellent diplomat in the FAF structure who is capable of such a task?For example, you can offer joint development of a battle pass. In-game cosmetics for ACU. In exchange, they will make SC:FA free.
If you don’t know where to start, you can consult Chris Taylor. He has extensive experience interacting with publishers. I think he will not refuse help and will tell you how best to negotiate.
If FAF had a penny for every time someone suggested shit like this, shit like this wouldn't get suggested anymore. But also, props to you for having the shittiest of shit suggestions I've seen. You want microtransactions and a battlepass added to what is essentially already a free game? Yikes
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If FAF had a penny for every time someone suggested shit like this, shit like this wouldn't get suggested anymore. But also, props to you for having the shittiest of shit suggestions
These kind of comments....says it all.
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@nflanders said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
Sucks, but what is the alternative?
What if we start negotiations with Nordic Games?
But who will negotiate? Is there an excellent diplomat in the FAF structure who is capable of such a task?For example, you can offer joint development of a battle pass. In-game cosmetics for ACU. In exchange, they will make SC:FA free.
If you don’t know where to start, you can consult Chris Taylor. He has extensive experience interacting with publishers. I think he will not refuse help and will tell you how best to negotiate.
I'm so confused. What problem are you trying to solve here? You keep making suggestions that seem aimed at bringing in money, but to what end?
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@brutus5000 said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@nflanders said in Why would you have left FAF?:
@brutus5000 said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
it can be free forever
If everything is free, how can my friend and I try your project for free? A friend has seen enough of Yuri’s video and wants to try playing FAF, but to do this he needs to pay 5 times more than the game costs to an intermediary who will buy him this game since it is not sold in Russia. And spend a lot of time searching for an intermediary and corresponding with him (I bought the game 15 years ago and played on GPGnet)
We play, but only inGAF, there is no other option.For us ordinary players, it doesn’t matter whether you are a commercial or non-profit organization, we still have to pay and it doesn’t matter to whom, the fact is that access to the FAF project is paid.
If I have to make a choice, I would rather FAF become a commercial organization and SC:FA become completely free on Steam.
You can play in GAF, because they give a shit about copyright law and they people running it live in a country where they probably won't be sued for violating copyright law of a "western" company. This doesn't apply to anybody living in Europe or North America.
So players are required to pay the game which on sale costs like 2€ while all other games compared cost a lot more. Sucks, but what is the alternative?
a) Run your own copy of FAF and go the risk yourself. You can do this. This is exactly how GAF works.
b) Collect millions from other people to buy the game rights. But WHY would anybody do this without expecting a return on invest? Be it getting annoyed with ads until the end of the universe or dumbing the game down to reach wider audience or whatever. I think the playerbase prefers to pay off a small one time fee and be done with it.no one canceled the ability to copy C:\ProgramData\FAForever and send it to a friend and play on RAdmin or another local network
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Funnily enough, the vibe that I'm getting from the low rating / gapper balance complaints is not too dissimilar from high level balance complaints. A common sentiment among high level mapgen players is that arty/nukes/sat are lame, and people seem to generally prefer exp land wars in lategame. So I don't think the views are totally incompatible.
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@nflanders
They bought this game for their portfolio.
They may not even know that the game has an audience
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@exselsior said in Why would you have left FAF?:
You can technically use the client without having supreme commander installed.
That's a big 'technically', given that you CAN'T use the client without having paid for supreme commander on GoG or steam.
(And like nflander's friend, it was really frustrating for me who bought the game decades ago - and I also have friends who bought the game decades ago, but can't play FaF because they didn't buy it again on GoG/steam)If I'm honest, I bought it really cheap on GoG - about £3... And I honestly like the fact that accounts are linked to purchases, since it stops smurfing on the ladder VERY effectively. But it is a real shame that so many people who bought supreme commander are probably in the position of being unable to play FaF; particularly given that FaF devs don't get paid for supreme commander purchases!
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If you bought the game before steam you can get it through steam by sending them you CD key. I bought it when it came out in 2007 and still have the box and CD, still play "through" steam.
If $10 is stopping you from play though idk what to tell ya.
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Fetch your CD key, use it to activate it as a game code in Steam, boom valid license.
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@redx said in [Why would you have left FAF?]
I'm so confused. What problem are you trying to solve here? You keep making suggestions that seem aimed at bringing in money, but to what end?
Can I solve the problem? Of course not. If there was a person who would try to negotiate cooperation with Nordic Games.
Success largely depends on the character of the negotiator.
This can help solve a very wide range of problems.Here is the maximum program:
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Completely solve the problem of lags and disconnections during the game. Ideally, a system like in Beyond All Reason RTS, where only those with a poor connection to the server lag, everyone else enjoys the game. (more details: https://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=37637)
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The game can become free on Steam. Will solve the problem with "funnel".
@ftxcommando said in Why would you have left FAF?:
the problems FAF has always had with regards for players isn't retention related, it's funnel related.
Does the negotiator achieve success or not, if someone wants to try why not? The main thing is that the person is competent.
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Can you just ban him?
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