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    Chicken Storm

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      Nuggets FAF Association Board @Caliber
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      @Caliber said:

      Cost of that damage = zero no mass no energy cost just free dps.

      Thats insane. From now on i will build the storms instead of the chicken!

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      • SkratS Offline
        Skrat
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        Yes, but in a real game, a chicken will never do that much damage because the enemy will simply withdraw his army.

        Sorry for my English. I use translator

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          Caliber @Skrat
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          @Skrat said:

          Yes, but in a real game, a chicken will never do that much damage because the enemy will simply withdraw his army.

          What about structures? 200,000 free damage on stuctures is abit much maybe?

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            Nomander Balance Team
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            It does 220k-240k damage to land units and land factories but it misses ~2/3 of its beam lifetime vs allies and non-land units because it doesn't maintain its targeting on them.

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              Caliber
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              • DeribusD Offline
                Deribus Moderator
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                Land factory cost mass = 240, Land factory cost energy = 2100, Mech Marine cost mass = 30, Mech Marine cost energy = 120, Mech Marine damage = theoretically infinite

                This kind of breakdown doesn't provide any meaningful information. You need to demonstrate that storm is causing issues for game balance.

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                  Caliber @Deribus
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                    Nuggets FAF Association Board
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                      Nuggets FAF Association Board
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                      Lets say this imaginary chicken walks through all defenses and arrives in the middle of the base and dies. Please check how much damage it actually does. This is not comparable to 2 megas standing next to it where no shot misses.

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                        Caliber
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                          Nuggets FAF Association Board
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                          Once again, an unrealistic teat because those are hp sponge buildings and not what an actual base would look like.
                          (tbh i feel a bit stupid even entertaining this scenario. Any air unit is in that case also op because they get free crash damage)

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                            Caliber
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                            @nuggets let me know when you find an air unit that does 100 - 240 k crash damage

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                              Nuggets FAF Association Board
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                              Ok when do you find a nuke that does exactly 70k damage? You conveniently only look at the damage shown on the unit stats for a nuke, but highest potential damage for a chicken storm.
                              A nuke can also do 10 million damage if you have enough stuff in the nuke radious.

                              Essentially i an trying to say what everyone else said already these comparisons and scenarios make no sense. Such as ignoring that the storm also does team damage if it dies in your own army

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                                Caliber @Nuggets
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                                  Nuggets FAF Association Board
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                                  Correct. On paper. Thankfully we are not playing on paper so balance is created around actual ingame scenarios.
                                  You dismiss my argument because i am not talking about things on paper but asking for realistic scenarios.

                                  Lets take an "on paper" example:
                                  Would you rather have a chicken or a megalith (which is more expensive). On paper, according to you, the chicken is better.
                                  Also the fatboy has no death damage so i guess its useless.

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                                    Caliber
                                    last edited by Caliber

                                    Your missing the pont of my argument.

                                    This game is based entirely around its economy.

                                    Units need a mass and energy cost that are relevant to the units potential

                                    The storm has no cost, yet has very high potential

                                    All I am trying to say is that the storm should have a cost that reflects its potential.

                                    The higher the potential the higher the cost.

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                                      waffelzNoob
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                                      I agree with Caliber. Look at this scenario where a chicken destroys 5.57 million mass worth of infrastructure, without even shooting.

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                                      The free storm did all of this. It's ridiculous, frankly.

                                      frick snoops!

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                                        Caliber
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                                        @waffelznoob even your beloved snoop has a mass and e cost, pointless make the snoop free!

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                                          BlackYps @Guest
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                                          @Caliber said:

                                          @nuggets In this test on structurs I used 9 UEF land HQs with 16000k health each the chicken storm did exactly 100,000 damage on structers in this test, so half damage to structures which is still roughly 1.5 free nukes

                                          A nuke would destroy all of this and even more if you placed more buildings.

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                                            Caliber
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                                            @blackyps the key word there is free, nukes are not free.

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