Hence why realistic scenarios and likely practical results are much more valuable to assessing things than theoretical best case scenarios

thats 5.8 Damage per mass if you round it

scaling that up to the chicken storm at 240,000 max damage thats 41,379 mass cost for the storm alone

Chicken is 26.5k mass

So when i say the storm is free damage thats what I mean

If you added the mass value of the storm at current balance the chicken would cost 67,879 mass

This serves as a strong buff depending on the situation, however the build costs were not changed to reflect the chicken storms new effectiveness.

But rather than build costs as the costs of the chicken are fair what's should have happened imo is that when they changed the storm it effectively became x2 more powerful against your opponent by not prioritising freindly units, so the storm should have also had a -50% dps reduction.

@Caliber said:

Because as a mechanic the storm sucks, its only real effect on the game is slow you down, ok a storm now exists and we just have to wait 30 seconds before we can move on with the game. or to reward brain rot suicide tactics.

I guess that boils down to what this discussion is about. It's not about the damage. Even if it was two times more or less, you'd not want to walk through it. Instead, I think it is about slowing down the game by denying an area for 30 seconds.

Maybe another direction to look at is the duration of the storm, instead of emphasizing the damage output. The damage output is, uuhh - not quite reliable. But its ability to deny an area is. What if the storm only lasts 10 seconds? Would that solve your problems with it?

@Caliber said:

Ironically it's waffelznoob and his jokes that point out the main difference between our thinking.

You seem to think that the storm is a weapon of the Ythotha, I and believe its a separate entity/unit that is only created by the Ythotha.

The thinking that the storm is somehow a weapon of the Ythotha is like thinking that a percy is part of a factory because its created by it.

Yeah i also think crash damage of air units is a separate entity

Fact: Nobody puts chicken including the supplementary benefit of the storm above or equal to gc

Therefore: No need to nerf a 3.5% cheaper t4, the storm isn’t impactful enough to change anything about the valuation of the unit.

@Caliber said:

and no relevant difference if the storm did 30k damage potential as that would still be enough to more than cover the difference between it and stronger exp anything more is just overkill

Your statement only makes sense if people were broadly in agreement that chicken now is the best direct-fire t4 for value and needed to be adjusted in some way to nerf the faction. Nobody thinks that, so saying “it would still be enough to cover the difference” makes no sense because I’m challenging the idea that there even is a difference in the first place. If a difference doesn’t exist, the whole question of nerfing is pointless.