Developers Iteration IV of 2023
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Added a section about the incoming improvements to the mobile factory, where @clyf is kicking things off with significant improvements to managing the external factory directly from the primary unit!
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Added a section about other note worthy changes.
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The changes of the FAF Develop game type are now also available on the FAF Beta game type.
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@jip said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
Other note worthy changes
Context based templates
- #5543 Add the ability to use the context of the build preview
It is best shown visually. See the pull request for a video. With this feature you can create templates that use the build preview as its context. As an example;
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- imagine you have a radar as a build preview. If you hit tab (the hotkey to trigger the context based templates) then it turns into a radar that capped with power generators
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- imagine you have a tech 3 air factory as a build preview. If you hit tab then it turns into a chunk of air grid
As mentioned at the start; this is best explained visually. See the pull request for a video.
- #5541 Make it easier to cycle through extractor / hydrocarbon plant templates when zoomed out
The radius that scans for deposits increases as you zoom out. It mimics the distance of the pixel-snapping behavior for extractor deposits.
Assist to copy the command queue of an engineer
- #5540 Adds another assist side effect that triggers the Copy orders functionality
The assist behavior can be a bit clunky at times. By copying the command queue you still 'assist' the original engineer but have all the advantages of not having to wait for the original engineer to start the construction.
Improvements to the score graph
- #5524 Improve responsiveness and performance of the score graph
With thanks to @Pokute the score graph is now in a good spot in terms of performance. It now populates the graph really fast, even after long games with a lot of players.
Improvements to anti-projectile weapon behavior
- #5518 Disable anti-projectile weapons after firing
Projectiles have a shooter cap. When a weapon locks on a projectile it adds towards the shooter cap. When the cap is reached no more weapons can lock on a projectile. This behavior is fine but there's a problem: weapons can lock on projectiles even though they are unable to fire. This can be due to many reasons, the most common being the reload time.
As a result a weapon can lock on a projectile during a (long) reload time and effectively prevent other weapons from being able to intercept the projectile. Other nearby weaponry would just remain idle.
This is now adjusted; an anti-projectile weapon is no longer able to lock on to a projectile while reloading. As a result anti-projectile weaponry is a lot more efficient at shooting down projectiles and they no longer appear to remain idle like they used to before.
This impacts both torpedo and tactical defenses.
Improvements to projectile collision detection
When a projectile intersects with multiple units at once it will usually pick the last unit. This was a bug; most commonly seen with the walls behind a point defense soaking up all the damage. As a result walls would work rather unreliably. The bug is most common units that are either very packed or with projectiles that have a very high velocity. One example being the Rhino.
This bug is now fixed - the unit that would be hit first takes the hit. As a result the walls in front of the point defense take the damage. It is now also possible for small non-hover units to hide behind walls as the wall will reliably soak the damage.
Walls working correctly sounds very awesome
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@jip said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
Other note worthy changes
Context based templates
- #5543 Add the ability to use the context of the build preview
It is best shown visually. See the pull request for a video. With this feature you can create templates that use the build preview as its context. As an example;
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- imagine you have a radar as a build preview. If you hit tab (the hotkey to trigger the context based templates) then it turns into a radar that capped with power generators
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- imagine you have a tech 3 air factory as a build preview. If you hit tab then it turns into a chunk of air grid
Can someone please explain how I get this to work?
First off, I have "FAF Develop" selected as Game Type in the Create Game dialog.
Second, the feature as mentioned in "Developers Iteration III" does work - if I have, say, a radar already built or being built (not just queued) and I hover my mouse over it and press TAB (which is set to "Orders - Mouse Context > Cycle Templates"), a ring of 4 pgens will appear as a build preview.
I cannot however, get the behavior as described above. If I select an engineer, click on T1 Radar, and hit TAB, it only says "No templates available". At first I thought that I needed to create a template myself of the radar ringed by pgens, but even after creating that template, it still doesn't work.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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@zappazapper I missed your reply
Make sure you have the FAF Develop game type. Then make sure you have this hotkey assigned:
Then select an engineer and start the build preview of an applicable structure. In this example we use a tech 2 radar. Hit the hotkey and your build preview extends, similar to a template:
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Updated the section about tactical missiles.
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Updated the changelog
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(#5543) Context-based templates can now trigger on your build preview:
Context-based templates no longer rely solely on the context of the mouse. With this change, they can also use the build preview as context to cycle through templates. For instance, if you have a Tech 2 Radar in the build preview, you can cycle to a build template that surrounds the radar with power generators. Similarly, if a Tech 3 Power Generator is in the build preview, you can switch to a build template that surrounds the power generator with air factories. These new templates can be edited, extended, or replaced just like the old ones.
What does "build preview" mean? Does that mean if I select a structure to build and have it on my cursor but have not place a build order yet?
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@redx Yep
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@robotcat said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
just don't tell anyone, shh
You're free to tell people. Here's the Discord link where people discuss a fix:
The author specifically mentions that nobody is allowed to make any changes without his consent. That would include changing the setup of the mod. The only thing we can do with the vault is respect that. What you do on your local system is up to you. As I wrote in the same post:
Personally, I take this as a reminder to appreciate software and assets with open source and/or Creative Commons licenses that permit people to create derivatives of the work.
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It would be possible to distribute a tool that takes an original ASI setup file provided locally by the user and converts it into a local FAF mod or directly installs it into FAF. Since the tool would do this locally, the tool itself would not fall under licensing restrictions and would itself not distribute any ASI content.
So i would encourage to do it that way. It is probably not to hard to write a script that extracts ASI and converts/installs it into FAF, then just release the script. Of course users would still have to download both the script and the original ASI, but oh well.
This is what most applications do when they want to use unlicensed things. Its pretty much what FAF does with Supcom.
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@katharsas Is a software designed to remove the copyright restriction on for example a windows OS illegal?
It doesn't contain any copyrighted material either, but is still designed to go against it.
So a script with the only purpose of circumventing the copyright restrictions on ASI would violate the copyright on ASI.
FAF is also in a grey area with this, so it's not always easy on what's allowed and what not.But aside from the legal uncertainty people have already done this and it's available in the discord thread Jip linked.
@robotcat said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
can we assume that changes are not allowed in the images themselves, and not in restoring the work of the mod.
I think the ban was initially established to unify strategic icons so that there would be identical icons, and not so that there would be no icons at all. It turns out that only those who are smart enough to fix it can use it, but ordinary users cannot.the current policy is that you can't change the mod in any way and then upload it to the vault.
You can for your own copy change anything you want about it.
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If you do not distribute anything, you are essentially not "copying" stuff. Local copies of content do not fall under copyright law.Now, in some jurisdications, distributing software that goes out of its way to circumvent copyright protection mechanisms is illegal. This however requires, that the original software, that is to be modified, has security mechanisms that are in place on a technical level to prevent somebody from modifying ("tampering") with the original software.
However, the ASI installer has no such security mechanisms. It has no technical barriers preventing anybody from accessing its files in its original setup. An .MSI is basically just a .ZIP file. In addition to that the author of the the original software must be able to proof, that there are/were concrete damages that the modification causes/caused.
This means that a script that only modifies local files does neither infringe copyright itself nor does it circumvent any barriers that were erected to prevent software from tampering with ASI setup file. And since ASI does not cost money, there are no damages to the original author.
So even in the most restrictive jurisdication thinkable would a local script that installs the ASI files locally be legal.
I am not a layer, but that is my understanding of that matter. By the way, if it it wasn't like this, distributing FAF would be illegal because FAF is modifying FA files, which are of course copyright protected.
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@katharsas said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
Now, in some jurisdications, distributing software that goes out of its way to circumvent copyright protection mechanisms is illegal. This however requires, that the original software, that is to be modified, has security mechanisms that are in place on a technical level to prevent somebody from modifying ("tampering") with the original software.
For a program that circumvents technical restrictions, there would first need to be technical restrictions in place. This has however no bearing on cases where such measures aren't in place.
just because there is no technical measure against it, doesn't mean it's legal. It's just that even trying to circumvent technical measures is already illegal.@katharsas said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
And since ASI does not cost money, there are no damages to the original author.
That is also not true. Just because you take no money for your work, that doesn't "basically void" any copyright you have on it, just because you don't loose any money from that.
Also FAF is definitely not in a white legal area. There have been numerous companies that go against projects similar to FAF. (Nintendo for example in their quest against the melee and brawl competitive scene)
Most of the time when people get a complain from the copyright owner they stop their project, since they don't have the resources to test the copyright claim in court.
So while no neccesarily illegal, it is still a grey area of it maybe being illegal, the copyright owner having a possibly valid claim, but no enough interest in most cases to pursue it. -
@nex said in Developers Iteration IV of 2023:
Also FAF is definitely not in a white legal area.
GPG told everyone that it was shutting down GPGnet but that people should keep buying copies of SC:FA because they could play on FAF.
People acted in reliance on this promise (by buying copies of SC:FA after GPGnet was gone, which I did, but also by working on the FAF project and contributing to it in ways like donating money, casting games for community awareness, making mods, making tutorials/guides to how to play, etc.)
There is a concept called "promissory estoppel," you can look it up. FAF is totally in the clear to provide matchmaking services.
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@arma473 That is beyond my knowledge and while it may be true it has no impact on my example.
If FAF had no explicit permission from the owner then it would be a "grey" area and since ASI doesn't have such a permission it isn't strictly legal to hand out software with the intention of modifying it, when doing so is prohibited. -
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