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@espiranto
Invoking rating can augment an argument, but not replace it. You seem to be complaining about three things concerning the Corsair: it has bad AA, its rocket spray is inconsistent, and the turning radius is bad. The first thing is an intentional design decision, it's like complaining that the Janus is bad at sniping or that the Swift Wind can't attack ground. In exchange for being the only bomber that attacks in front of its flight path instead of dropping a bomb below itself, it has the worst AA. The second thing can sometimes lead to lost DPS when attacking a smaller target like an ACU but that's made up for by the fact that the random spread gives it decent utility vs large clumps of armies, more than the Notha. And attacking structures from my experience is totally fine. As for the last thing, I'm not actually opposed to giving them a tighter turning radius, but I think the Janus should have the best turning since it has a swing-wing design that changes its aerodynamics during a turn.
But that's just the Corsair. You were also offering a litany of balance complaints about the Cybran faction as a whole, like the fact that you have to choose between T2 and Gun, or that Cerberus is weak, or the fact that Cybran has no mobile shields, along with slow Mantis turret speed (use zig zag micro). Those are all really silly things to complain about, and in a vacuum I'm not opposed to buffing the Corsair or Making Loyalists Great Again but as a whole, it's very clearly a ranting response to a slew of UEF buffs. Cybran is not underpowered.
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Really disagree on your late game air take. Restorer is solid as a comfy unit that allows you to scale an air win’s lead while continuously increasing your air to ground ability, but wailer and broadsword are great units regardless for being immediate dps dumps with massive hp. We don’t even need to go into the fact Cybran have the best strat.
I also absolutely do see a difference between asfs, the ability to stealth means that you can decide the first turn of engagement which, barring proper scaling, is the penultimate factor in deciding who wins an air fight. The only counter against it is proper spy plane screening ensuring enemy air cannot sneak up on you but that in turn creates weaknesses for cyb air to focus on. This is before even taking into account that if there is no spy plane coverage, cybran asfs can pop out of thin air and shoot your asfs while your asf did not have enough time to react and thus your air flies through them without doing any damage.
Does soul ripper suck? Sure, but Cybran still have the best strat and a broadsword equivalent t3 gunship. Finally, in a serious teamgame you don’t really want your air player to be responsible for washer/czar in current balance. Better to let some stagnant slot make it while air continues to secure their air win since the units cost nothing in terms of energy infrastructure. And for that security, Cybran is certainly one of the best.
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@zeldafanboy said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
Those are all really silly things to complain about, and in a vacuum I'm not opposed to buffing the Corsair or Making Loyalists Great Again but as a whole, it's very clearly a ranting response to a slew of UEF buffs. Cybran is not underpowered.
Ok mod uploaded with some ideas
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@BulliedNoob I agree.
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@zeldafanboy said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
@espiranto
Invoking rating can augment an argument, but not replace it.
I just want to note that pulling out the rating card is totally legit when you are replying to a post like this:
What are you talking about? His english is totally legible, it's the extreme cybran bias that's hard to understand. If you can't cope with the fact that Cybran ACU and PD are intentionally weaker in combat for balance reasons then I don't think you have an involved understanding of the game balance. Who the hell thinks Corsairs are bad lmao.
There's no argument here besides anecdote. "Corsairs aren't bad, just trust me". Higher rating players have stronger anecdotes when it comes to balance in the specific form of "in my experience x is good and y is bad".
As a sidenote you also insult pepsi for absolutely no reason. If it was up to me u would be warned/banned for that.
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It is nice that the topic gets more and more attention and sparks discussions about the feedback.
Please, this is a serious thread and should not be polluted with meme images or being crude against members who are not sharing the same point of view.
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Fun fact: Aeon and Cybran ints deal less than 50 damage per volley, while UEF and Sera inties deal 50 or over. Coupled with HP differences, this means Cybraa/Aeon ints need 7 volleys to kill a UEF/Sera ints, all other combinations need 6. Aeon and Cybran ints also need 11 volleys to kill a T1 transport rather than 10. Aeon/Cybran ints used to cost 2 less mass to compensate, but it was equalized at some point. I wonder how it compares to Cybran versus Sera frigates.
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@mazornoob That kinda sucks. I don't like that.
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@espiranto said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
What the fuck Sparky, a commander with a T2 and a cannon is not enough for you
Interesting idea. If Sparky was a Cybran unit it could complement the ACU's lack of T2+gun a little.
@espiranto said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
Do something with cybran acu, its having choose gun or t2
I have advocated that stealth give a small speed boost, but apparently that fucks up too much balance.
I still don't think the Cybran ACU is weak though. It has high regen. Also, Mantis can assist a gun upgrade.
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@unknow I dont recall that period ever stopping
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@black_wriggler said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
the added blueprints are great, with the exception of the t1 factories - not sure if this has been tested yet but i feel having a mix of riptides and sparkies vs navy, is going to be too strong when you can easily spam navy facs as you push forwarded for added frigs and taking all the reclkaim
Good thing Aeon doesn't have T2 mobile hover shields and hover flak which can't be torp'd, or bombed/gunship'd easily. That'd be too strong within a navy mix.
Alright, jokes aside... The job to build factories is usually given to T1 engineers behind the push but that role was now assigned to the Sparky as it is part of a push.
There is basically no difference or if any, very little difference in gameplay terms.
~ Stryker
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After getting mercy sniped twice today while being surrounded by (cybran) maa and having inties close by, I have to ask:
Can we finally balance mercies, instead of the current reliance on the honor-bound approach of looking down on the low lifers that use this disgusting tool?
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@xayo i agree
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@xayo What would you recommend?
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@comradestryker said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
@black_wriggler said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
Alright, jokes aside... The job to build factories is usually given to T1 engineers behind the push but that role was now assigned to the Sparky as it is part of a push.
There is basically no difference or if any, very little difference in gameplay terms.
~ Stryker
Actually there is a large difference when the T1 engie equivalents have 1k hp and 30 dps
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It’s potentially even higher than 30dps as well, as they can reclaim while firing (it means that if sparkies are attacking a stationery group of pillars they can beat a mass equivalent force, although it usually requires too much microing with reclaim orders to be worth the effort)
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@black_wriggler said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
Actually there is a large difference when the T1 engie equivalents have 1k hp and 30 dps
Isn't that the whole point of a Sparky though?
If not, then what is the point of it?
Because, at the moment, it doesn't really have much of a point, in my opinion.
With this, at least, it'll have more of a, engineering aspect to the "Field Engineer" part of the unit.@maudlin27 said in FAF Beta - Feedback:
It’s potentially even higher than 30dps as well, as they can reclaim while firing (it means that if sparkies are attacking a stationery group of pillars they can beat a mass equivalent force, although it usually requires too much microing with reclaim orders to be worth the effort)
Harbs can do that, too - though less effectively, as they can't shoot and reclaim, but they can reclaim after the fact, preventing the need for engies to follow.
~ Stryker
