DDOS russian players FAF

Nuggets

@Tyhig What has this got to do with anything?

Deribus

@Tyhig said in DDOS russian players FAF:

There was a FAF developer here who wrote about respect.
So here it is.
My respects.

Тут был разработчик ФАФ, который писал про уважение.
Так вот.
Моё почтение.

None of these people are involved with FAF development, so what they name their lobbies is completely irrelevant in the context of what FAF is or isn't doing to combat the ongoing DDOS.

As far as whether this is against the rules or not, here is the perspective of the moderation team:

We cannot force people to play with other people. These are custom lobbies and the hosts decide who they want to play with. Rules based on hate speech still apply, but asking certain people to not join is not hate speech.

"Death to all Russians" - Not allowed and will get you banned
"No RU" - Accepted and will not involve moderation team

boss1100

With such a policy, FAF is doomed. We have already seen this online for 2 months now, it has been falling, and there are fewer and fewer games. And all because the administration thinks that they are gods, but any student with the Internet breaks their client. Apparently, yes, the information will not reach you that only a strong administration team can afford to ban anyone, alas, the faf is not even close, as time has shown.

Nuggets

@bugiman said in DDOS russian players FAF:

With such a policy, FAF is doomed. We have already seen this online for 2 months now, it has been falling, and there are fewer and fewer games. And all because the administration thinks that they are gods, but any student with the Internet breaks their client. Apparently, yes, the information will not reach you that only a strong administration team can afford to ban anyone, alas, the faf is not even close, as time has shown.

How do you know its a "student" or beginner doing this? Are you responsible? Clearly you know more than me. While FAF has many issues you are going around here saying nobody is doing anything and some random guy is using his phone to DDOS people.. Clearly you have no idea what's going on or how this even works.

Earlier you basically said we should let everyone play, now you are saying some people are not allowed to do what they do? As in you are not allowed to prevent people from joining your games (in this case some lobbies preventing russians), but earlier you mention that its up to the host to decide if they want to allow in cheaters or whatever.

This is, obviously, beyond any reasonable complaint and just going around hate/shit-talking FAF.

Brutus5000

FAF players are pragmatic. Lots of russians have connection issues (ignoring that others also do)? Let's exclude them from our games. Not so long ago it wasn't the russians but the australians facing this kind of treatment.

Also their are other reasons why both russians players are unpopular right now and russian connections get worse. Both are directly connected to your country starting at war with Ukraine. Russia's internet is slowly being disconnected on behalf of your politicians from the rest of the world to control information, similar to what the chinese people face for decades.

Kilatamoro

@Brutus5000 Thanks, I did not have enough bullying for having the Russian flag attached to my face in your game. Must be good to live in a country where you can protest.

Tyhig

Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
"Also their are other reasons why both russians players are unpopular right now and russian connections get worse. Both are directly connected to your country starting at war with Ukraine."
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Есть и другие причины, по которым оба российских игрока сейчас непопулярны, а качество соединения ухудшается. Оба напрямую связаны с вашей страной, начавшей войну с Украиной.

Now I heard this well.
You are "FAF Server Admin". Your word is the word of the administration.
You insulted my country.
And after that, you demand respect from us?
Everything became very clear and understandable.
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А вот это я услышал хорошо.
Ты "FAF Server Admin". Твоё слово - слово администрации.
Ты оскорбил мою страну.
И, после этого, ты требуешь от нас уважения ?
Всё стало очень ясно и понятно.

Brutus5000

Where do I insult your country? I state facts. If that insults you, you have a problem. Don't make it my problem.

Brutus5000

If you don't believe me look at @Rayhard_Rau list of things that cause problems on your connections in this post: https://forum.faforever.com/post/69141

ZLO

@Tyhig said in DDOS russian players FAF:

You insulted my country.

I think he just dropped facts. Even if you think that some of those facts are wrong, you should try to look at situation from other person's view.

Okay im gonna get back to the topic:

Do we actually know how exactly IPs are getting leaked?
I feel like when we answer "it is p2p you can't stop IPs from leaking" then it means that each and every time player gets ddosed that means his IPs got leaked, that means he has been in the same lobby with the guy who is stealing IPs.

But at the same time afaik we have a lot of reports from people, saying that matchmaker games also suffer. in matchmaker games you can't choose to who you are connecting to.

Combining those two "facts" (pls correct me if am wrong somewhere) it appears to me that IPs are getting leaked not just from someone trying to connect to lobby, but by some other way.

If we find that "some other way" then we probably can protect matchmaker games.
2) if there is someone who is trying to connect to every lobby to find out IPs then maybe we can save logs and then try to see who is doing it and maybe there is a way to set up some sort of autoban if the behavior is obvious. maybe that can solve problem temporarily.

We need to actually estimate the costs of moving all that p2p traffic trough FAF servers (the "solution" that GAF and RUFAF were using)
After we know the cost, then we can maybe remind people that FAF has a patreon account that is pretty underpromoted.

It all will take quite some time tho, so people should chill and get ready to take a break and just come back to play later. (or maybe play Galactic war when it is out)

Tyhig

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Giebmasse

I think this thread has run its course, or rather derailed.