Why not use STEAM NETWORK to improve connection?

[ZLO]

"LOUD AI" project does work vya steam, right? i am not saying that we should divert all resources to developing this, or we should "move" to steam. but if somebody could make FAF playable vya steam that would not be bad. Worst part would be that it will be another community split as steam and FAF players will not be able to play with each other

[Brutus5000]

Everybody is free to build a working proof of concept and then we can discuss. Until then I will spend my time otherwise.

[IamFromRussia]

@ZLO @Brutus5000 @Jip Epic Online Services - FREE alternative to Steam network
Allows you to establish a p2p connection between players for games and mods like FAF. We don't need to upload faf client to epic game store!

pros:

• DDOS protection (Epic servers will be used)
• No Epic account required
• No need to install Epic Launcher
• No copyright holder permission required
• It even allows you to add third-party authorization (no Epic Games account required!!! You can connect via FAF account)

I am very surprised. This looks like charity from Epic XD

[NOC-]

Other than the fact you will have to share the entire user database likely with EPIC.
Therefore violating GDPR

[maudlin27]

If that was the only barrier then I’m guessing it could be resolved by having users consent to the data being shared with Epic

[NOC-]

Yeah but currently you have existing database who would be signing up to a whole new set of terms. You cant force them to do that

[IamFromRussia]

@NOC said in Why not use STEAM NETWORK to improve connection?:

Other than the fact you will have to share the entire user database likely with EPIC.
Therefore violating GDPR

As I understand it, it is not necessary...

We can use your own OAuth 2.0 provider for player authentication in EOS, but only under certain conditions, using EOS Connect’s "Custom Identity Provider" feature.

from chatgpt) :

Example: GDPR-Safe Token Payload
A simple JWT token that Epic can use, but contains no PII:

{
"sub": "user-12345", // epic user ID, its not real faf user name
"iss": "https://your.auth.server",
"exp": 1720000000
}
That’s it. You can keep it clean and anonymous.

We will associate each user with an epic id by which epic servers will connect players. We will not transmit any other data.

In order to connect users, it is enough to have an epic user id assigned to each player in faf. The assignment will be performed on our servers and it is not necessary to provide any information about the users.

[Brutus5000]

So now every user also needs to create an epic account?

[NOC-]

And then there is the GDPR issue with Epic accounts

[IamFromRussia]

@Brutus5000 Looks too good to be true. I was looking for a catch, but I didn't find one.
No epic account required...
https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/dev-portal/identity-provider-management

Honestly, if I had to create an Epic Games account for this, I'd happily do it considering how many features they offer for FREE. An epic games account is created in a couple clicks.
https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-online-services/eos-overview

I will quickly describe all the features of EOS

• Lobbies
• Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Connections
• Stats
• Leaderboards
• Voice Chat
• Reports
• and more.....

[NOC-]

oh god one reason there alone not to. Voice comms
Im sorry I do not want to hear the 12 man dual gap russian voice coms

[Nuggets]

@NOC said in Why not use STEAM NETWORK to improve connection?:

oh god one reason there alone not to. Voice comms
Im sorry I do not want to hear the 12 man dual gap russian voice coms

I would

[nullptr]

xddddddd

[Surfer]

@BerserKK-
Implementing EPIC/Steam networking is not a technical problem, its simply a lack of desire from the community.
I was working on the Steam adapter prototype, but it hit a dead-end.
Players don't wanna spend their time on testing. FAF-devs afraid of DCMA takedown and don't even considering to integrate your work.

This conversation is pointless until you have clear proof that there is no copyright violation or permission from the game's owners.

@ZLO

Worst part would be that it will be another community split as steam and FAF players

There will be no split, there is just not enough population xD
Making a backup client, just in case, is soo frustrating when you know no one will use it while FAF is operational.

[Deribus]

I think we're all generally agreed that sure @BerserKK if you build a working prototype then we'll take a look. But nobody else is interested in rewriting FAF on a completely different connection infrastructure.