T1 Subs & T1 Frigs
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I'd rather see a whole navy revamp of all three tiers & experimentals personally. Add some new ship types etc. Navy is so god damn boring and stale imo. That said, I don't really have any ideas towards a revamp like that. Though I always liked BlackOp's dreadnaughts.
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Radar must be larger when sub is on surface. And less when it's under water
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i like the idea, t1 subs are literally unplayable if the game goes above 10 mins which obviously doesn't happen to frigs.
Frigs are are way too efficient, literally the best combination of radar,aa,direct damage,hp for a relatively low price, t1 radar doesn't even use energy which is a bit weird but oh well.
tweaking subs without actually changing damage is great, micromoments of surfacing to get more radar coverage gives more opportunities and a good risk-gain potential.
decreasing their direct vision and increasing radar coverage is probably the best option as to me -
I'm on the realism side for this. It's also counter intuitive to casual players. I'd like for subs to be balanced around killing things - high alpha with long reload and higher dps for example. It gives them some stopping power against frigs snowballing. Lower sub speed could also slow down navy. A radar decrease on frigs seems reasonable. At t1 it's a bit excessive, and at t2 air scouts, static sonar, and cruisers can do the job.
Trying to diversify frigs into an intel unit and a damage unit seems like a band-aid solution from only having two units. From a spam perspective, it's like making moles and mantis different units. The gameplay is still spammy as heck. Really there should be more units, but It seems like the game's fun is back loaded after the t1 stage, but then you also get stuck at t1 due to how expensive it is. With only two units (one unit) to balance things around, there isn't much choice but to spam.
The boring t1 stage and slow start are probably the worst things about FA, and maybe all rts too. I find I tend to play other games that get into the action quicker than fa, and when I do engage with fa, I'd rather watch a stream so I can skip the boring part.
Land also has terrain, pd, and the acu, not to mention t1 navy is resistant to air. Imagine t1 land without the acu or pd on an open map? Maybe trying to balance sub groups to focus navy interactions, like how acus do, and having unscouted subs slow down enemy forces, like pds, could help give more varied unit interactions and strategies. The interaction could be like othuums and snipers, but more about water vision than range. Frig diversity in jamming and torp defence also effects navy a lot more.
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Change the deck gun to artillery with longer range than frigates so they could possibly be used as support in fight along with their torps, can be used as regular subs submerged, and lastly they can be used to raid mexes that are out of range or terrain of frigates and can do that sneakily. This can also gives a reason to have radar surfaced.
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The more I look at individual unit stats, maybe this isn't so much a frigate problem as much as it's a submarine problem? Torpedo damage, attack rates, attack salvos and torpedo defense is really strange, kind of all over the place.
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It takes more than a minute for a T1 sub to kill a T1 frigate iirc, increase sub damage massively and lower their reload speed
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@zeldafanboy said in T1 Subs & T1 Frigs:
It takes more than a minute for a T1 sub to kill a T1 frigate iirc, increase sub damage massively and lower their reload speed
Yes!
And, I always put underwater mexes on the maps I make. It's great to be able to raid with subs. I think subs should be able to build underwater mexes and hydros.
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@stlng said in T1 Subs & T1 Frigs:
I think subs should be able to build underwater mexes and hydros.
Now there's an interesting idea. Ofc it would only benefit subs on maps that actually have water mexes.
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I suppose you could also let them build naval yards.
That doesn't feel as thematic though.
