Legend of The Stars 2021 Championship Tournament
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@ftxcommando said in LegendoftheStars 2021 Championship Tournament:
Ending your day 1 stream coverage of the tournament with "oh I guess he forfeited haha" or "b-but he's playing for honor!" is quite the buzzkill to the supposed biggest event of the year.
That's not a problem with TD'ing or the tournament, and more a problem with the fact that of the 16 best players we can scrape together for FAF, the skill difference between 1st and 16th is astronomical. You love TrueSkill, how much hope does an 1800 ladder have vs a 2400? Even a mid 2200 (me) vs a 2400 tagada or 2300 yudi seems unwinnable in a bo3 format. There will be imbalanced matches in any group due to this.
We also have to account for the fluctuation of skill from AFK players who may or may not prep for a tournament, who may or may not be at their peak form from 4-6 YEARS ago. Try seeding that fairly.
I think the groups are realistically as good as we can get them without manually drafting for perfect balance. Two hard groups, a moderate group, and an easier group (as determined by eyeballing it) seems fine to me. The only other way to possibly do this fairly would be to seed on ladder rating, but there are a ton of people in this tournament who haven't played more then 10 ladder games in this entire year, so that is also subject to some inaccuracies.
...also yes, BH is only a little stronger then me, if at all xD
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My eyeballs must not be working, what is the easier group?
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I assume he means group B.
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@tex said in LegendoftheStars 2021 Championship Tournament:
@ftxcommando said in LegendoftheStars 2021 Championship Tournament:
Ending your day 1 stream coverage of the tournament with "oh I guess he forfeited haha" or "b-but he's playing for honor!" is quite the buzzkill to the supposed biggest event of the year.
That's not a problem with TD'ing or the tournament, and more a problem with the fact that of the 16 best players we can scrape together for FAF, the skill difference between 1st and 16th is astronomical. You love TrueSkill, how much hope does an 1800 ladder have vs a 2400? Even a mid 2200 (me) vs a 2400 tagada or 2300 yudi seems unwinnable in a bo3 format. There will be imbalanced matches in any group due to this.
Why are you talking about this as a problem with TrueSkill I don't know why you quoted me on Double Elim format discussions for this paragraph. If every FAF player was an SC2 Maru equivalent it doesn't change that Round Robin results in situations where a dude is guaranteed a loss simply because there are 4 possibilities for it and people inevitably have bad days. Nobody wants to hear about rounds concluding because a guy quits or seeing games go on for no real reason except a dude feels like continuing to play. It's basically impossible to make it sound epic as a caster especially if anyone in the audience cares to look up why they are watching this game. If we're agreeing that we should just flat out ignore the games and pretend they aren't happening for the audience and the casters, why are are we including them? If both these players want to play "because tourney experience" they can go ahead and do it on their own freetime outside of the tournament. Maybe literally do it immediately after the group stage is over and accomplish the same thing.
In this theoretical situation, exactly a maximum of 4 people are ever benefitting from this round robin with a potential 4 not wanting to play (otherwise they would freely in their own time) with 2 casters not wanting to cover it and a potential infinite of viewers rather watching a game that actually matters for the rest of the event.
We also have to account for the fluctuation of skill from AFK players who may or may not prep for a tournament, who may or may not be at their peak form from 4-6 YEARS ago. Try seeding that fairly.
Easy. Let players in the tournament seed it through captain or sequential seeding. Don't do some random seeding 10 days before the tournament using some system nobody expected to be used for seeding that wasn't even intended to be used to showcase skill. It's like the shittiest thing possible. Seeding by rating would be strictly better, a home-baked tourney ELO would be the best but even that would fall apart due to lack of data breadth.
...also yes, BH is only a little stronger then me, if at all xD
lol
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Excuse me FTX, Blackheart is 2233 MMR on ladder, I am 2264. As you have taught us all, TrueSkill is always correct and not to be questioned.
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Signing up.
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IRC channel, Challonge, maps for Group stage added!
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You can't have different prizes for 5th,6th and 7th,8th places since they are all equal in a single-elimination bracket.
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@tagada said in Legend of The Stars 2021 Championship Tournament:
You can't have different prizes for 5th,6th and 7th,8th places since they are all equal in a single-elimination bracket.
Yeah that is a fair point... i will address that.
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Turinturambar is dropping out of the event due to being unable to play. By the substitution list, Blast_Chilled has been called and has accepted to play. As Blast has less LotS points accumulated, the Groups were shuffled accordingly by moving archsimkat to Group B and Inspektor_Kot to Group C.
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Just a reminder that for this upcoming Saturday I have an half hour appointment I can't miss at the start time of tournament. As per quick discord question @morax in the lots channel, this is ok. I will be between one and one and a half hours late for my series vs Petric, but am otherwise free for the entire day.
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For the advanced stage of the event the pool will be as follows. Please note that each player were given the ability to choose a map which makes up 8 of the 15 maps for the pool.
RO8, Semis & Finals Map Pool:
5x5
Desert Arena (Blackheart)
crazyrush (Petric)7.5x7.5
Map Gen (Tournament Settings)
10x10
Daroza's Sanctuary (Tagada)
Arcane (Nexus)
Open Palms (JaggedAppliance)
Frithen (Tex)
Map Gen (Tournament Settings)
Amoor15x5
Map Gen (Tournament Settings)
20x20
Bermuda Locket (TURBO2)
Point of Reach v4
Krakens Nest (Yudi)
Map Gen (Tournament Settings)
Ronoake Abyss -
Good maps
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Needs 3x as many 5x5 maps.
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Post updated with crucial details for the RO8 and Semis (see section on December 18th date)
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tfw nobody chooses any of your maps
i'll get 'em next time
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@thomashiatt said in Legend of The Stars 2021 Championship Tournament:
Needs 3x as many 5x5 maps.
@Morax upvoted, but did nothing about it
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Updated post with 1st thru 3rd place avatars.
I am considering adding a 4th as LotS is epic and 4th place is NOT easy to get to.
