Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU

@tagada said in Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU:

The new mercy would either be balanced and not used

I can definitively say that lacking your knowledge of the game I would definitely try to use them a lot

For the same reason I cannot argue the rest of your post.

If you are right then it is a question of do we want a useless mercy that can sometimes snipe an ACU, or do we want a useless mercy that is very occasionally useful for sniping something unshielded and exposed?

I began reworking mercy some time ago (half a year?) but never finished it, the idea is to make mercy a dedicated 1 use anti-army unit with low alpha, big AoE and DoT forcing enemy to move their army out of the AoE effect. It could also be used as a Area denial weapon (ground fire in order to discentivize enemy to move through there to avoid taking dmg)
If i get motivated again and finish such rework and it would get approved then there is a chance it would be included in the next balance patch, soon tm.

@tagada cool, didn't know that was still in progress.

Not meant as a suggestion but maybe motivating... if the splash dot is big enough to cover a 4 mex starting position then it would be the first weapon meant to snipe T1 mexes.

I don't understand tagada's point, but i can see myself using mercies if they are like this.

Gunships are slow and vulnerable to AA, while fighter bomber tend to be able to snipe stufff without taking too much of AA damage. There's also the element of surprise. Random grey triangle isn't a scout, it's a mercy sniping your t2 mex, while gunships are more easily spotted, alone or in group.

On a big 20x20 maps, i can definitly see those mercy replace gunships when the ennemy has 2-3 AA turrets or few MMA to protect.

Not acceptable to have a unit that does different damage to ACU than it does to other things. Too messy and unintuitive. Special cases should be kept to a minimum.

Not acceptable to have a unit that does different damage to ACU than it does to other things. Too messy and unintuitive. Special cases should be kept to a minimum.

shoots a sideways glance at overcharge damage calculation

@thomashiatt said in Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU:

Not acceptable to have a unit that does different damage to ACU than it does to other things. Too messy and unintuitive. Special cases should be kept to a minimum.

Cant imagine an rts doing that

@thomashiatt said in Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU:

Not acceptable to have a unit that does different damage to ACU than it does to other things. Too messy and unintuitive. Special cases should be kept to a minimum.

Yeah, what? You see that Age of Empires 2 is still getting expansions, right? And a new sequel in the pipe?

I agree that it should be kept to a minimum, but moreso that it should be up front in unit description text.

I think giving it a big aoe and low damage would be good. Maybe put it in a special spot and give it low damage, large area, and an EMP/chrono effect on strike, with extra damage to shields. Then it has an effect, a unique use, and dosen't need to be snuck behind enemy lines. Or maybe it can do that too, idk.

Also it should be able to refuel, but get like 10-20 seconds of fuel at a great speed, then is just slow like everything else.

@tagada said in Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU:

I began reworking mercy some time ago (half a year?) but never finished it, the idea is to make mercy a dedicated 1 use anti-army unit with low alpha, big AoE and DoT forcing enemy to move their army out of the AoE effect. It could also be used as a Area denial weapon (ground fire in order to discentivize enemy to move through there to avoid taking dmg)

So a suicide variant of the Janis? Aeon will be the new banned faction on Crazy Rush (not that the map ever made much sense).

I'm guessing this unit would also be used to deny reclaim fields. Could be decent. May be too strong vs T1/T2 power grids though?

I've messed with the mercy, any change to the hp makes the unit unstoppable and pretty much guarantees a hit unless there's tons of aa

@veteranashe but isn't that the same for a corsair that deals 1200 damage? It is quite difficult to stop 1 or 2 corsairs, they are faster, have more hitpoints (1100) and their weapon range is greater with 40 vs 25.

This 1 Mercy will get more damage from first pass, but if you get 3 passes out of a corsair it is already more mass-efficient (not 2, as it costs more mass).

@valki
Corsair rarely does its full damage on a single unit thats not a building, plus it's super easy to dodge most of the rockets with your acu. Mercy is far superior for ACU snipes.

Also the Mercy is fine as it is and doesn't need a rework. It's not a great unit overall, sniping people with it is fun.

@zeldafanboy Personally I feel dirty when I kill an ACU with it, which I do every opportunity offcourse.

I would trade that in for a stronger snipe unit for buildings and big units.

@valki said in Mercy simple suggestion: reduce damage vs ACU:

Personally I feel dirty when I kill an ACU with it

Why? It dies if you sneeze on it and it's expensive. If it gets scouted, it's totally over. Your opponent deserved to die for not scouting.

Because I can scout it and then make 5 t1 aa all around my acu but because projectiles are simulated they might miss the initial shot which is all it takes for the mercy to then kill me.

Just like SAMs can only really protect things a ways behind them from T3 bombers, you need to put T1 MAA in front of your commander, not next to it. And T1 MAA is the weakest AA, a handful of inties or one flak (which should be in play by that stage of the game) just delete Mercies

Make the mercy an anti air weapon that has massive AOE and can take out huge blobs of ASFs and intis. Really make air play spicier and more frustrating. /s

bro they are in front of my commander r u trying to tell me because an aeon has a t2 air fac i must always keep my acu 500 m behind t1 maa so it doesn't die?

@ftxcommando

I would say the distance you need to park them is around twice the build range of the ACU, it's not really that far. Less distance if you have radar coverage.

and what if the RARE scenario occurs when twice the buildrange of your acu happens to be inside an enemy army?