New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements
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I have some stuff to ask but Im being forced to do it later:
Firstly however, I don't think anyone in this thread is free from the "sin" of being toxic. Considering I know the three of you, you've put on your nice hats and it's really only a matter of time before the wind blows them off.
For Penguin, we can happily discuss the 5 hour long circular map feedback discussions where you fail to understand basic concepts and then seemingly break, spouting abuse in any direction.
And for Morax and FtX, we can also quite happily go into past discussions again about behavior again if we please.
I don't really want nor think it's actually relevant to any discussion, because i'm also a sinner, however:
- You're not showing me how toxicity is a problem,
- You're not showing me a concrete solution to solve it
- You're not showing me how your solutions would fix the problem.
You're just asking me to possibly throw away progress on FAF for a simple promise that I know you're not able to keep.
And when you break it, what happens? You've failed to do the only thing you've been voted in for. Do we hold another election under a vote of no confidence?
@Judahx Make your point once and then link back to it later. Stop spamming the thread with the same quote or i'll just remove it.
Questions on pollings and etc, will come in roughly 8 hours boys.
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Can I find a random quote from the other 2 candidates where they are toxic and spam this thread full of them without making any point, or will they actually be deleted now
@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
And if that means dismantling the council and restructuring it into a group of individuals that have actual liability, then so be it.
Wait, what?
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This is just a guess, but sheeo doesn’t like ftx very much, so if the people he talked into running fail to oust him, he’ll probably lobby the faf board to erase the player councillor position entirely.
Probably.
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It's not that you can find a random quote by ftx to make him look bad. The problem is that 10 per cent of what he writes can serve as such quote. From the top of my head I can quote him at least 10 times. Ftx does not have the attitude of a councillor, that's why he was originally excluded from running for the position. Being in the position has proved the council's concerns true: during his tenure he kept displaying arrogance and toxicity towards players while trying to make friends with top players or people with decision making powers. And this even got worse as he felt more secure in his position. Call it what you want, but I call it unfit for the job..
Ftx is always online and well connected to some top players: great he can help faf elsewhere, he does not need to be the voice of the player base and representing all of fafs players and interests. Because as it is currently that sounds like a joke to me.
Behaviour needs to have consequences. Feather has been banned for it, I have been banned for it, we both have changed our behaviour. Now it's time for ftx to be taught a lesson and to make some adjustments.
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This entire thread has 90% of everything but what this is designed for,why the balance team,tmm and FAF association is even being spoken about,you guys should be focusing on the PC election and it's participants.
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@emperor_penguin said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
@randomwheelchair
No, actually, I had already talked with Valki in pm and helped him with some stuff before I was even planning on running for PC.@emperor_penguin said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Personally, I question the value of FTX's choice to shoot down most new ideas very readily. I think that policy makes negative associations with the FAF experience, contributes to a negative atmosphere, and discourages participation. I don't believe that attitude is good for fostering a collaborative and friendly atmosphere. There are many occasions in which I think the way FTX responds to people is worse than if he didn't respond at all.
I should add that @Morax has also advised me to look into modding (in pm). More people have recently suggested it, and I have been encouraged enough to do something with it.
I started trying it out this week by first improving the UI for my poor eyes. Might indeed go a lot further than that.
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This thread is a dumpster fire
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@rezy-noob said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
This entire thread has 90% of everything but what this is designed for,why the balance team,tmm and FAF association is even being spoken about,you guys should be focusing on the PC election and it's participants.
Ask some questions, please! I stated earlier in the thread how there’s not enough be asked so we’re left to going back and forth at each other. I will be addressing ftx response to my application and talk about his soon, just taking time to research each point.
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I’m convinced we should separate PC into two positions. Product manager (basically what FTX is doing now) and an actual PC who tries to create an inclusive environment and focuses on what the players want.
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You guys want basically a PR rep or a social media manager, too bad you didn't propose anything like that
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@biass said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
a social media manager
Already supposed to exist 4head
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Wait are u referring to nine2? From what i gather he should be doing that. Honestly i was a bit confused as to why ftx was doing faflive and stuff as a player councler and not the promo councler. Also when will there be a promo election? Im not trying to attack nine i just am confused by what each role should be doing.
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@boom said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Can I find a random quote from the other 2 candidates where they are toxic and spam this thread full of them without making any point, or will they actually be deleted now
I urge you to find examples of the other two candidates being toxic in the FAF community. FtXommando has a history acting unprofessional. I am absolutely certain at least one of the two other candidates does not have a history of Toxicity in the FAF community.
At The very minimum the PC should be professional and respectful.
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Maybe I should run, ban the other candidates and win by default
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@legion_darrath Make it like a North Korean Election. Smart.
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@spikeynoob because FTX has time and nine2 doesn’t. And there is no election for promo councilor. That position is filled by the council I think. When nine was appointed it was because they held interviews and decided he was the best candidate.
I believe PC is the only one that’s elected by the players (because it’s Player Councillor). Others are appointed either through interviews or because they are the natural choice (like DevOps councillor, only very few people can even qualify for that).
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It's appointed by interviews, but in general Councillor positions operate under the logic that if someone in the contributive team of said Councillor wishes to run some sort of election, they can inform the Council and something can be worked out.
Promo, like PC, would operate in the sense of if somebody in FAF wants to take up the position and they inform the Council, a public thread will be made for people to explain their platforms and then an interview process will happen where the Council decides on which candidate should take the seat.
At this point every Council seat has had a replacement so there is precedent to operate off of.