Is mercy too strong in team games? What you think?

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Mercies are a trash unit anyway. Extreme rng cancer because aa's are retarded. The ability to instakill full hp acus is insanely stupid too. With good micro you can survive 30 corsairs or 5 strats for some time, but you see 5 mercies come while ur aa is a bit behind or it randomly died and u cant do anything about it. Probably the worst unit design in the entire game.

Best idea in my mind to not make it bad is to make it have big aoe but little dmg and do damage over time. Groundfire infront of enemy army reinforcements to delay or dmg them. If you fire it in the middle of enemy army they can react and dodge damage because of damage over time so there is counterplay instead of "i hAVe aA". Also should have a human amount of hp and fuel.

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very bad unit by design, insanely low hp and high damage. That's the cocktail for a triggering unit, if you add on top of it maa retardation. Would need a rework, but everything i heard of for a rework ends up a bit dull, nothing very exciting.

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Mercy sucks. No hp, low fuel, fuel doesnt recharge, poor manueverability. Undodgeable though. I would nerf the tracking and buff the test.

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#banmercies

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@TheWheelie
I agree with all of these points. People really dislike rng having such a game deciding impact.

I will suggest that in addition to aoe it might be interesting for mercies to have a stun effect.

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Care to provide solid argument ? Mercy = rng ??? Where does that come from ?

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@TheWheelie said in Is mercy too strong in team games? What you think?:

Best idea in my mind to not make it bad is to make it have big aoe but little dmg and do damage over time.

Decrease damage to 800, give it cloak, 5 aoe and halve its speed, worked out great for beetles 🙂

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Beetles are actually a good unit now despite what ur big brain thinks so yes

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@TheWheelie I think we'll file this one under "things only the balance team believes"

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Yes just like nothas and mongoose. Wonder how that worked out

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@TheWheelie said in Is mercy too strong in team games? What you think?:

Beetles are actually a good unit now despite what ur big brain thinks so yes

I'll believe that once I see them used more often than once in 200 games. Or is the entire FAF community too stupid to understand, after half a year, that beetles are a good unit now?

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@TheWheelie said in Is mercy too strong in team games? What you think?:

Yes just like nothas and mongoose. Wonder how that worked out

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@MazorNoob said in Is mercy too strong in team games? What you think?:

I'll believe that once I see them used more often than once in 200 games. Or is the entire FAF community too stupid to understand, after half a year, that beetles are a good unit now?

Considering how bad people are at adapting and that LoL pros who get payed milions and are still often slow to adapt to new meta I can see a bunch of random faf players to be not so great at adapting to new stuff.
Even more when you consider how most of them are not even remotely interested in pushing the gameplay even further but just want to chill by doing the same shit again and again.

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You hardly ever see beetles in pro ladder either, not even as a cheese option. I think I've seen them maybe twice, as sort of a counter to unmicroed mongeese/hoplites.

I should give up. I tried to make the beetle balance thread conform to every single feasible balance forum guideline and I'm still waiting for a response, instead the balance team responds on a whim to a single sentence "Are mercies good? Y/N" thread.

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well i never agreed on the beetle change, so i wouldn't answer you on your thread as to why it has been design like that.

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I think changing mercies is a bad idea because it makes faf even more mechanical. Mercies are a cheese mechanism, and a comeback mechanism much like tac missles. It offers alternative ways for games to take and therefore makes the game more exciting. Of course it sucks to be mercy sniped, or tml sniped, or old beetle sniped, or corsaired, but its a nice cheese thats super costly and all-inny. mercies have insane bt, so if you do your homework and scout and dont neglect air and radar and play zoomed out, they are super easy to counter.

Now i dont want to talk about mercies, but about the direction the balance has been going since im here. The game became more and more "be efficient in eco and grind down your opponent" style with less abilities to make plays, ie. Use units to conclude a game fast. If you remove mercies the games objective boils down more and more to "acquire mass to make t1 tanks to hold map"-style. Or in teamgames "be as greedy as possible and upgrade mex style", and i think thats boring. I like it when games have cheese options like fast ml that doesnt require half its mass worth of bp to be constructed within the relevant time window, or beetles to snipe acus, because thats exciting to do and punishes people who are lost in basebuilding and efficiency optimisation playstyle.

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Oh and deribus please cut it with "please provide a replay" . We all know what a mercy snipe looks like and I think in general its possible to have an informed discussion about balance matters without looking at it. Anyone who needs a replay to look at in order to understand the matter shouldnt participate in the discussion, because clearly he lacks the imagination to provide relevant insight.

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@BIG-BENNIS-MAGIC we don't talk about purging mercies from the game,we're asking for a nerf,it doesn't matter if you did scout them or not same for aa,their activation radius is just too big,you need to keep your aa too close to the acu and even in that case you'll kill at best 3 mercies only and no,they are not costful.
the only bad thing that might happen when you build them is the early stage when your opponent is going t3 air in any other case it's efficient to build them(considering they will connect in the end).

also that's the reaction you'll get when sniped by some only aeon boy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCHtnfKRjk&ab_channel=TotallyJustABean.
live with that.

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If you nerf the activation radius, they become unusable, because they are countered by 50 mass t1 AA.

I agree with Bennis, it is nice to have cheese tactics available, and the essence of cheese tactics is that it can go either way : if you're spotted you lost the game or you just put yourself a lot behind (you've all experienced the situation where your air player made corsair/mercies, failed to kill, and all the team gets strat bombed).

Aeon air is very average/mediocre right now in my opinion (bad t1 bomber, no fighter/bomber, mediocre T3). I think having mercies available is the only reason you see aeon picked in teamgames air spot really ...

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i wouldn't call restorers bad and the t2 gunship is also a very good burst damage for hit and runs,same for swifties,why would they get another strong unit if they have op com,op navy,strong land?