Chicken Storm
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Correct. On paper. Thankfully we are not playing on paper so balance is created around actual ingame scenarios.
You dismiss my argument because i am not talking about things on paper but asking for realistic scenarios.Lets take an "on paper" example:
Would you rather have a chicken or a megalith (which is more expensive). On paper, according to you, the chicken is better.
Also the fatboy has no death damage so i guess its useless. -
Your missing the pont of my argument.
This game is based entirely around its economy.
Units need a mass and energy cost that are relevant to the units potential
The storm has no cost, yet has very high potential
All I am trying to say is that the storm should have a cost that reflects its potential.
The higher the potential the higher the cost.
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I agree with Caliber. Look at this scenario where a chicken destroys 5.57 million mass worth of infrastructure, without even shooting.
The free storm did all of this. It's ridiculous, frankly.
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@waffelznoob even your beloved snoop has a mass and e cost, pointless make the snoop free!
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@nuggets In this test on structurs I used 9 UEF land HQs with 16000k health each the chicken storm did exactly 100,000 damage on structers in this test, so half damage to structures which is still roughly 1.5 free nukes
A nuke would destroy all of this and even more if you placed more buildings.
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@blackyps the key word there is free, nukes are not free.
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Chickens are also not free
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@blackyps is the cost of the storm calculated into the cost of the chicken?
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Another way to phrase my argument would be to ask you why do you believe the storm weapon/unit should cost nothing and defy the economy logic of the game whilst delivering relatively high damage.
Can you provide another example in game that is free and does comparable dps.
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nobody is picking chickens over gcs so evidently this isn’t a significant enough factor to change the meta there
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I think it’s good to identify potential problems. That way, a constructive discussion can always take place.
Personally, I think the storm is a great weapon. It’s a real double-edged sword. Depending on how it develops, it can be bad for both sides.
I wanted to check how the storm behaves, but I haven’t found it yet. Visually, it seems random, but that can be deceiving.Since I play a lot of UEF, when I have a Fatboy, I try to use the mobile construction option to escape with it. I basically spam T1 when I notice the Chicken is about to fall. Other factions can’t do that.
But that’s just the diversity of this game.
How do you react when you let a Chicken get too close to your units?
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why do you believe the storm weapon/unit should cost nothing and defy the economy logic of the game whilst delivering relatively high damage
It's there to counteract Ythotha's weakness in larger T4 fights. Mega has long range with high DPS so it counters Ythotha's low HP pretty hard. GC has "free" DPS in the form of its claws vs T3 units which Ythotha usually gets from splash, but it can't use that splash on units if its focusing the GC. GC can also dodge DPS and just walk into the Ythotha to break its aiming. In both cases the storm can help to even out a fight that involves more than 1 T4, since the remaining T4s can't retreat for free.
Fatty isn't good vs Ythotha but the storm doesn't come into play because all the UEF units it is fighting can walk out of range while shooting backwards. -
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Why would you base your balance around not accounting for micro on what is very clearly intended to be a centerpiece unit? Do we begin balancing fatboys around no micro too?
There are some niche scenarios where the storm will get huge value but in most practical situations you would prefer a gc, it has insane utility not only due to the t4 vs t4 micro but also with the added benefit of getting much stronger veterancy hp boosts. It doesn’t make sense to nerf something in a unit when that unit is not even recognized as being the best in its class while leaving other units untouched
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Evidently not considering it doesn’t manage to push chicken above gc in general utility, you would just be making a worse t4 worse
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Some units are better than others in specific scenarios, idk what to tell you.
The storm is part of the chicken. Take the gc vs chicken example. The chicken dies in a fanasy base and does 240k damage (fantasy, because it will never do this much). Gc would even die to the same amount of damage the chicken died to and does inifnite damage instead!
Essentially what im trying to say is you cant just only look at one feature of the chicken and ingore the rest. Also you paint the storm as OP but that can also be a negative if it dies in your own army. -
and no relevant difference if the storm did 30k damage potential as that would still be enough to more than cover the difference between it and stronger exp anything more is just overkill
Your statement only makes sense if people were broadly in agreement that chicken now is the best direct-fire t4 for value and needed to be adjusted in some way to nerf the faction. Nobody thinks that, so saying “it would still be enough to cover the difference” makes no sense because I’m challenging the idea that there even is a difference in the first place. If a difference doesn’t exist, the whole question of nerfing is pointless.
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