Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below)
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I partially agree and disagree.
No one likes to be insulted especially in the game where you come to spend some time with entertainment and chill. And then you call for a judgement. Judgement happens and the offender is being banned. You must follow the rules. This is whatterms of service is about btw.
The other side of the question: should moderation permaban people for insults. I think no. Of course there are lots of edge cases blah blah... But if it happened in stress situation I think there must be a place for redemption or something.
Third side. Being moderator is not that easy. Watching astro craters to witness whom insulted whom isn't pleasant time to spend for. Moderator may be annoyed and tired of this stuff which may lead to disrespect and anger. We are all humans here.
The solution? Talk, appeal and be respectful.
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@azath0th said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
The other side of the question: should moderation permaban people for insults. I think no. Of course there are lots of edge cases blah blah... But if it happened in stress situation I think there must be a place for redemption or something.
We would not perma ban someone for insulting people. I assure you that was not the case in this situation.
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If cheating and ruining the games you cheat in for everyone else is worthy of a perma ban, then why is DDOSing and fucking with the entire community not?
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@nasimka said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
PS: Rezy, die of cancer
This was such an idiotic thing to write. I was fine with what you were saying until this! After all of that talk about being reasonable! It immediately showed your insincerity and immaturity.
I don't think permanent bans should be handed out.
That being said, I think the toxic elements of a community really should be temporarily banned, whether they are cheating, or wishing cancer upon other gamers - until the day that they stop behaving in this way.You, obviously, haven't gotten to this stage yet. It's worrying that you post as a 'reasonable' voice for nucleus_genius, but still wish cancer upon people. If you're the best behaviour from this camp, then thank goodness the worst are still banned.
If the day comes that you stop wishing cancer on people - or that nucleus_genius stops doing things like DDoS-ing to attack hundreds of people, to stop them from being able to enjoy their favourite game, then you should be welcomed back.
But it's very clear, right now, today, that neither you, nor nucleus_genius, has learned to behave like a responsible adult.
Right now, exactly now, you and nucleus_genius are wishing cancer and ruining games for others.@azath0th said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
The other side of the question: should moderation permaban people for insults. I think no.
For general insults: 'you're an asshole' etc; I agree.
Wishing cancer on people... I'm less certain about.DDoS-ing an entire community of gamers for selfish reasons? I'm pretty certain about that! (It's a shame it went that far - I'd have to see details of the appeals and games played, to know everything, in case it really was a 'last resort' - and compared to wishing cancer? Hmm...)
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I’m sure a dude that is spending his own money just to gain utility out of making life harder for others is the type of dude that was a law abiding citizen the mods would ban for no reason.
I’m sure this was the best use of both his time and money with no other course of action viable when even bennis of all people manages to get their perm ban revoked.
I’m sure the best response as a community would now be to remove the dude’s punishment because he integer overflowed on chimp energy and broke the scales on what we’re willing to not put up with. We should also punish moderators for good measure. Surely this will have zero externalities in future ban scenarios.
My favorite part of this is that it seems you just took the word of the dude you allege is ddos’ing FAF at face value as though he has no reason to lie meanwhile you have nothing from any other party?
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Not the first time this threat was used against FAF either, also with delusions of persecution, also by a Russian
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I fully support!
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I support this, we all play the game for fun, but why ban for insulting people, why don’t other games have this practice, and I completely agree that you should only ban for cheating and nothing else.
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Resistance is known by banning everything that moves. It's even became a local meme in russian community. And funny thing is, the guys who was telling their stories was indicating that there were no reason put in the permaban notice. Like, if there is nothing in permaban note - then how a person can appeal to it (or at least know why he got banned)? And the modders say smg like: if he was permabanned, then there is should be a serious reason. THERE WERE NO REASON, just a crazy Resistnance likes to give permabans.
So, don't permaban ppl. Just ban for a week, weeks, month.
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What conclusion did I come to from all of this? Since moderators don't want to solve problems, they will create them.
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I totally agree about perma bans, sometimes I do want that some people get punished for toxic behavior, but even with all my anger at that point, I do not want them to be banned forever. There are some reasons for that, one of the main reasons is that faf has got a very low amount of active players. People who are toxic and insulting others are usually people that are addicted pretty much addicted to this game, thus very active in this game. Do not get me wrong, I think that they deserve to be punished, but perma is not the way it should be done. Also, I understand that moderators can not just beware of everything that happens in faf, however I know some examples when a certain player was not banned for the action that others got perma ban for.
For example, @SpikeyNoob remembers a guy with a nickname Honey_Sex, who officially was banned for his "offensive" nickname, but in reality in my opinion that is mostly because of his post on forum, which was also deleted, because the moderators found the post causing conflicts, even though the post was not offensive at all, just people commenting the post where causing conflicts. Why I think that the nickname issue was not the "real" reason for a perma ban? Cause I met so many people with nicknames more offensive than his. One of the biggest examples is Foley, who literally had a nickname with a meaning of "You suck my dick", namely "Usuq_Mydiq" I guess, do not remember. I personally do not find anything insulting when I say "sex", considering that he had a "honey_sex" which was not personal. There is also a person, who literally named themself "dick" (but in russian), and still online.
I also once was talking to the guy who was banned forever in faf, for a smurf account. He was not toxic at all, he shared his story with me. He said that he was not playing home, but in the computer club*. And his friend also did that, and they both got banned from faf for smurfing, cause moderators have thought that it is one person playing from 2 different accounts from 1 PC. He meant that moderators have not even listened to his explanation of that. I mean hardware ID is one of the best ways to find smurfs, but in this particular case 2 ppl were banned just because they do not have own PC. Not fair in my opinion.
Also I want to mention gapforever server, which was also created and consists of people who got perma ban on FAF. Mostly, they have been banned by Rezy, most of them are complaining particularly on one of the admins, who is also sometimes very insulting. The server was created without a hate of faf, it was just created so that people can play their favorite game. I personally have not suffered by non-fair ban in FAF, but some of my friends were, like Dmitry11, for instance once got a ban from Rezy for smurfing, just because the other guy trolled him and made a nickname Dmitry111. So actions and perma bans of moderators (mostly one of them) have caused that 2 more servers were created and one of them is very hateful and wants faf players to suffer a bit.
Generally, I agree that perma bans should exist for cheaters or ppl breaking lobbies, but not for insulting behaviour. There is even a function of muting someone in in-game chat. So I think that would have been way easier to add more functionality to mute toxic players, than implementing a new client because of the revenge of banned player.
*Computer club - a place in post-soviet countries, where u "subletting" a pc in an hourly rate and play video games.
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Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
Skill issue
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@tomma said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
"You are banned from FAF forever". Ok it is not a perma ban, it is "forever" ban".
Do not consider him as the only reason for the post. He is just one small stone of the big dissatisfaction of perma bans in general. Specially I consider his ban related to his post on forum, not to his nickname, the reason on why I think was described in my previous post.
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I support nucleus genius in case of ban because this is double-standardized moderation. There should be either ban for every toxic player (like one time sid (сид) reclaimed my acu → he should be permanent banned) or no permabans at all for all.
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After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of the author supporters are Russians. What a plot
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@eternal said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of them are Russians. What a plot
I am not russian, why does that matter?
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@XejiNord11 based on the reason in description i assume that he just need to contact moderator to get unbanned
Regarding Nulceus, i do not know the details. But in case if he was perma banned only for insult i believe he could try to contact to other moderators. Have he tried to do that? Anyway if he is the one who DDOS FAF i feel no compassion towards him no matter the reason he was banned.
And as many already stated, in most cases permaban should be applied only for cheaters. One year ban is already quite hard measure.
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@greensubmarine the guys were trying to reach the modders.
@erador said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
And the modders say smg like: if he was permabanned, then there is should be a serious reason. THERE WERE NO REASON
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@xejinord11 "contact moderator team for rename". The ban is permanent (until you rename). Like what is your point here?
