Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below)
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I support this, we all play the game for fun, but why ban for insulting people, why don’t other games have this practice, and I completely agree that you should only ban for cheating and nothing else.
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Resistance is known by banning everything that moves. It's even became a local meme in russian community. And funny thing is, the guys who was telling their stories was indicating that there were no reason put in the permaban notice. Like, if there is nothing in permaban note - then how a person can appeal to it (or at least know why he got banned)? And the modders say smg like: if he was permabanned, then there is should be a serious reason. THERE WERE NO REASON, just a crazy Resistnance likes to give permabans.
So, don't permaban ppl. Just ban for a week, weeks, month.
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What conclusion did I come to from all of this? Since moderators don't want to solve problems, they will create them.
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I totally agree about perma bans, sometimes I do want that some people get punished for toxic behavior, but even with all my anger at that point, I do not want them to be banned forever. There are some reasons for that, one of the main reasons is that faf has got a very low amount of active players. People who are toxic and insulting others are usually people that are addicted pretty much addicted to this game, thus very active in this game. Do not get me wrong, I think that they deserve to be punished, but perma is not the way it should be done. Also, I understand that moderators can not just beware of everything that happens in faf, however I know some examples when a certain player was not banned for the action that others got perma ban for.
For example, @SpikeyNoob remembers a guy with a nickname Honey_Sex, who officially was banned for his "offensive" nickname, but in reality in my opinion that is mostly because of his post on forum, which was also deleted, because the moderators found the post causing conflicts, even though the post was not offensive at all, just people commenting the post where causing conflicts. Why I think that the nickname issue was not the "real" reason for a perma ban? Cause I met so many people with nicknames more offensive than his. One of the biggest examples is Foley, who literally had a nickname with a meaning of "You suck my dick", namely "Usuq_Mydiq" I guess, do not remember. I personally do not find anything insulting when I say "sex", considering that he had a "honey_sex" which was not personal. There is also a person, who literally named themself "dick" (but in russian), and still online.
I also once was talking to the guy who was banned forever in faf, for a smurf account. He was not toxic at all, he shared his story with me. He said that he was not playing home, but in the computer club*. And his friend also did that, and they both got banned from faf for smurfing, cause moderators have thought that it is one person playing from 2 different accounts from 1 PC. He meant that moderators have not even listened to his explanation of that. I mean hardware ID is one of the best ways to find smurfs, but in this particular case 2 ppl were banned just because they do not have own PC. Not fair in my opinion.
Also I want to mention gapforever server, which was also created and consists of people who got perma ban on FAF. Mostly, they have been banned by Rezy, most of them are complaining particularly on one of the admins, who is also sometimes very insulting. The server was created without a hate of faf, it was just created so that people can play their favorite game. I personally have not suffered by non-fair ban in FAF, but some of my friends were, like Dmitry11, for instance once got a ban from Rezy for smurfing, just because the other guy trolled him and made a nickname Dmitry111. So actions and perma bans of moderators (mostly one of them) have caused that 2 more servers were created and one of them is very hateful and wants faf players to suffer a bit.
Generally, I agree that perma bans should exist for cheaters or ppl breaking lobbies, but not for insulting behaviour. There is even a function of muting someone in in-game chat. So I think that would have been way easier to add more functionality to mute toxic players, than implementing a new client because of the revenge of banned player.
*Computer club - a place in post-soviet countries, where u "subletting" a pc in an hourly rate and play video games.
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Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
Skill issue
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@tomma said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
"You are banned from FAF forever". Ok it is not a perma ban, it is "forever" ban".
Do not consider him as the only reason for the post. He is just one small stone of the big dissatisfaction of perma bans in general. Specially I consider his ban related to his post on forum, not to his nickname, the reason on why I think was described in my previous post.
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I support nucleus genius in case of ban because this is double-standardized moderation. There should be either ban for every toxic player (like one time sid (сид) reclaimed my acu → he should be permanent banned) or no permabans at all for all.
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After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of the author supporters are Russians. What a plot
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@eternal said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of them are Russians. What a plot
I am not russian, why does that matter?
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@XejiNord11 based on the reason in description i assume that he just need to contact moderator to get unbanned
Regarding Nulceus, i do not know the details. But in case if he was perma banned only for insult i believe he could try to contact to other moderators. Have he tried to do that? Anyway if he is the one who DDOS FAF i feel no compassion towards him no matter the reason he was banned.
And as many already stated, in most cases permaban should be applied only for cheaters. One year ban is already quite hard measure.
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@greensubmarine the guys were trying to reach the modders.
@erador said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
And the modders say smg like: if he was permabanned, then there is should be a serious reason. THERE WERE NO REASON
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@xejinord11 "contact moderator team for rename". The ban is permanent (until you rename). Like what is your point here?
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@eternal said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of the author supporters are Russians. What a plot
Ru players have one interesting trait: they hate each other but when are offended stick together and spare no effort to protect their nationality.
So just do not be racist to not offend whole ru community.
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This whole thing just reads like: He is a terrorist, but he is our terrorist and he fought for our cause! UNHAND HIM NOW!
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@erador moderators still just a regular players, someone might not want to get involved, someone might be offended by not polite tone. If everyone ignores you in DM you can try to escalate it in global chat. This is a major community issue if there is not way to dispute a ban and it should be addressed accordingly.
PS: This is just my thoughts. I might be totally wrong, since faf obviously suffers the same issues as any other small gaming community.
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@tomma said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
Honestly, wish I had recorded the whole thing cuz dude was unwilling to co-operate at all. And instead being all like, BUT IN RUSSIA I CAN BE HONEY-SEX AS MUCH AS I WANT! WHY ARE YOU FORCING ME TO CHANGE THE NICKNAME WHILE IN RUSSIA HONEY-SEX IS ALL GOOD!
We tried politely explaining why such name is against the ToS of FAF and why calling yourself honey-sex in public spaces is not really gucci.
He was offered to be instantly unbanned multiple times as long as he gives us a new nickname that he wants to use, and yet each and every fucking time we asked for new nickname he reverted to BUT IN RUSSIA HONEY SEX GOOD! Dude could have been unbanned literally minutes after the ban but instead insisted on arguing with multiple people why the ban is nothing but oppression of the Russian culture...
Honest to god, you people and your persecution complex is just hilarious at this point.
The most hilarious part is that none of the Ukrainians I got banned for their nicknames ever disputed. They just took the L and moved on to use new nickname like normal human beings.
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@who_mi said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
I support this, we all play the game for fun, but why ban for insulting people, why don’t other games have this practice, and I completely agree that you should only ban for cheating and nothing else.
Many other games will remove your ability to use chat or outright ban you for using slurs, death wishes etc.
And while they won't perma ban you straight away, if you keep on being a PoS that is a repeat offender then you get banned for longer periods of time until you get permad.It's literally standard practice for the whole industry at this point. And I assume faf is not that different.
Also, I can confirm that you won't get banned from FAF for going off the rails once or twice. You have to be a real nasty piece of work to get banned more than few times for "chatting". If I didn't get banned more than twice for the things I wrote I don't wanna know just how much worse the repeat offenders are. And I'm someone who doesn't mince the words if I get pissed.
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@xejinord11 said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
@tomma said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
Dude honey_sex dude was offered to change his nickname like 727262571636362 times, i was in voice when that happened, its not even perma ban.
"You are banned from FAF forever". Ok it is not a perma ban, it is "forever" ban".
Do not consider him as the only reason for the post. He is just one small stone of the big dissatisfaction of perma bans in general. Specially I consider his ban related to his post on forum, not to his nickname, the reason on why I think was described in my previous post.
It literally says to give new nickname to be instantly unbanned. It's not an effin perma ban lol.
Also refer to my post above, the dude had multiple chances to be instantly unbanned but insisted on playing the muh russian culture card. And no, he wasn't banned for his forums posts. He was banned for nickname unfitting public spaces.
Like, I don't wanna have to go around calling my co-worker HONEY_SEX in office space. Hell, it's pretty much sexual harassment at this point. And yes, FAF forums are regarded just like "office space".
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@cocucka said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
@eternal said in Nucleus genius and ddos of FAF. (ru original is below):
After checking all the players who responded on this topic, I came to the conclusion that most of the author supporters are Russians. What a plot
Ru players have one interesting trait: they hate each other but when are offended stick together and spare no effort to protect their nationality.
So just do not be racist to not offend whole ru community.
I heard no one saying anything about nationality in this post except for u and @Eternal . I am not russian btw.
