Change the handling of Reports - When is a report valid?
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@HOSCHMOSCH You have made your negative views about FAF moderation and administration repeatedly clear, but continuing to derail discussions with inflammatory, hostile, and accusatory posts helps no one - it only further proves why moderation is necessary. If you genuinely want change, engage constructively and respectfully, please.
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I wasn’t even going to call you out by name, but let’s face it — you, with your wannabe authoritarian, whip-wielding approach, are the perfect example of what everyone here is fed up with. You really think anyone’s going to just shut up and swallow their opinion just because you’re hovering your cursor over the ban button? Sorry if I’m shattering your illusion — or rather, your delusion.
If YOU genuinely want change just step back. And spare me the accusation of not wanting to contribute contructivly. I did offer — once.
now do your thing by closing, banning, deleting.
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@HOSCHMOSCH said in Change the handling of Reports - When is a report valid?:
are the perfect example of what everyone here is fed up with
'everyone' as in - a few individuals of the total player base. There's no data that backup your claims that a significant chunk of the player base is frustrated by the current moderation policies/rules.
@HOSCHMOSCH said in Change the handling of Reports - When is a report valid?:
They don’t seem to realize this is not YouTube or Instagram, but a small, isolated platform where more freedom of expression should be allowed.
There's no such thing as 'freedom of expression' on any platform. You have freedom of expression in your private digital or physical life. For example, you're free to talk whatever on your own Discord server. And you're free to talk about whatever in your own living room. But the moment you enter a public place you're expected to behave within the boundaries set by that public place. Being online on digital platforms may feel different because it's anonymous. But it's really not that different. There are still boundaries, and for good reason.
Our boundaries are described by the moderation policies/rules. And to some extend by the contributing guidelines. These state that (as an example) casual jokes relying on hate of jews, racism, swearing that is totally out of proportion or really anything else that resembles harassment as depicted by the rules.
It's a small number of vocal players that choose to walk on the line of the current moderation policies/rules intentionally. Or to cross it casually. Either is unnecessary, but what matters is that it is a choice. A choice made by an individual. You don't have to walk or cross the line. In my opinion, choosing to walk on or cross the line says more about the individual then about moderation policies/rules. And it's even less about the moderators themselves, as they're just applying the policies/rules as agreed upon.
To quote myself:
said in Change the handling of Reports - When is a report valid?:
Let me be quite clear: if it were up to me I would have banned some individuals of this community a long time ago. No appeal process possible. Just get out, do whatever you're doing somewhere else.
So yes, be constructive or do me a favor and just go and do something else. Anywhere really but to be here.
And once you're ready to be constructive - fight the rules. Not the people enforcing them. And certainly not the server administrators that enable us to play FAForever despite of the conscious choices of some individuals out there to disrupt the infrastructure of some niche, fan-made project out of spite.
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Freedom of expression doesn’t stop at your living room door. It's not just a private right – it's meant to protect speech in public discourse too, especially online. We are not a Country and not bounded to a country specific set of rules. Wich means its mostly up to you to set the rules.
Platforms like this aren’t town squares, they’re private corporations. Comparing them to “public places” is misleading . That’s a power imbalance, not moderation. Für example: what does the Ban-Reason "Offensive Language" means ? and what is the Punishment 7 Days ? Did someone hurt the feels of someone ? or was he offended by facst ?
Moderators often mirror the worst of woke culture. Acting like a moral elite, they police language obsessively while ignoring context, nuance, or intent. The result? A performative, punitive atmosphere where the loudest outrage wins. Rules are broken constantly only reported cases are punished. Enforcement is reactive, not consistent. It's not about principles, it's about public image.
@Jip said in Change the handling of Reports - When is a report valid?:
'everyone' as in - a few individuals of the total player base. There's no data that backup your claims that a significant chunk of the player base is frustrated by the current moderation policies/rules.
Users don’t speak freely because the system punishes friction, not actual harm. You go undercover and talk to ppl what they think of the Mods. You will be suprised. You dont even habe to make that effort. Just check that forum. I would say thats a lot of a few "individuals". Not mention the People who read that and start giving a shit about contribut to that discussion.
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Post your last 10 replay IDS
If you cant quit being a fkn mod and get a life, You fkn idiots with rules and crap when you dont play is crazy! You wanna make rules for games you dont play why its fkn sad!
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this is really sad we let this crap affect FAF
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@HOSCHMOSCH IDIOTS That dont play the game offer there services then act like they boss
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The fact the dude above is banned after stating the above, genuinely concerns me with Faf moderation
Ras Boi's save lives.
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To keep things on track, summary of the major key points:
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Concerns were raised about core rules, e.g. CTRL+K usage and regarding exploits and when their report should be valid or not in general.
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@Nuggets is working on a draft about a formal proposal to improve clarity and fairness in this area
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A lot of opinions were shared, but the discussion has not resulted in a resolution to the concerns raised by OP and other users who share a similar opinion.
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As response, @Tagada announced that he will open in the future a thread in the Association section for discussing the rules in question, and exploring for possible adjustments.
@NOC The user is not banned from playing FAF. Just a short read-only period to encourage more respectful communication in the forum.
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@NOC The user got a temporary ban from the forum for another thread where they verbally abused the moderation team, not for these comments above.
"Design is an iterative process. The required number of iterations is one more than the number you have currently done. This is true at any point in time."
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Dont worry all:
This is the rating of the man who is judging whether a 2k elo game is lost when a player leaves to ban them:
The man has played only survival games for his last 100 games.
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My concerns still stand where we have mods who have no idea whether game is won or lost when it comes to leaving or control k base to go next game faster as its lost
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So?
Deal with it.
He has his opinions and he has the right to say them.
Just because you are mods does not mean just as a person says something mean does not mean you get special treatment.
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Right, so we're not going to allow personal attacks, especially not when they are still based on the assumption that mods are judging whether a game is won or lost or not. One of the main reasons why Base Ctrl-K is not allowed, and we insist that a player either leaves with their base intact or uses the team recall, is so that the moderator team does not have to make any decisions on whether or not a game is over.
We have spent a lot of time explaining why things are as they are, as well as laid out guidelines on how changes can be made to the rules. We'll await future proposals to this end in the association section of the forum. Regardless, as this thread has now fully turned into a modbashing session, I am now locking the thread.
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I IndexLibrorum locked this topic
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From @Tagada
Unfortunately due to IRL stuff and lack of time I haven't had time yet to prepare the thread for discussing the Ctrl-k rule. You can expect it to appear during the coming week in the Association section of the forums.
I (magge) will share the link to the thread as soon as it is published. Please note that it will only be accessible to association members. Joining the FAF Association is free - it is a simply a more formal way to show that you take FAF seriously.
