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Fast start mod idea: Free instant factory of your choice

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    A Former User
    last edited by 19 Apr 2024, 23:04

    Stolen from Zero-K.

    Lets you build 1st factory of your choice instantly for free.

    Since the default fast start is weird.

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      Jip
      last edited by 20 Apr 2024, 13:25

      I like the idea of being able to just select where the prebuilt units are created, instead of the pre-fixed positions that you have no control over at the moment.

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        maudlin27
        last edited by 20 Apr 2024, 17:17

        A combination of the two could be a temporary huge build speed buff for the ACU that ends on the sooner of it constructing a unit; 15s; or starting construction on its 3rd unit.
        I.e. the build speed buff would allow a similar effect to choosing where the prebuilt unit (factory) gets built. The other conditions are to reduce the risk of abuse (e.g. getting a bunch of mexes and t1 pgens to 90% completion to avoid the build speed buff expiring).

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          FtXCommando
          last edited by 20 Apr 2024, 22:31

          speed buff means you produce less resources as you build the fac which will likely cause large stalls or needing your acu to remain idle

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            IndexLibrorum Global Moderator
            last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 03:16

            Give the player unlimited resources for the same time duration, so the buildings are free?

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              Defiant
              last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 19:18

              Temporary Build power and resources tweaks also mean that ACU rotation time will become crucial.

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                maudlin27
                last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 19:58

                If it’s possible to give extra storage as a temporary buff that could get around the issue (eg if it takes 60s normally to build a land fac then you’d increase max mass storage by 120 and ensure it’s filled at the start of the game)

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                  CaptainKlutz
                  last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 08:02

                  Unlimited build speed and resource buff until a certain amount of mass is spent?

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                    ZLO
                    last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 08:23

                    i am ok with this idea if it is gonna be optional
                    30 seconds while factory is building is often not enough to think about your BO, check your allies and their factions, assign roles, check reclaim, decide who take what mex and who drops where, whos gonna make t1 air and who does not... tho ofc if you are playing air fac 1rst you will need to decide that before game or for like 1 second.
                    decide where your engies gonna be going...

                    how to fix resource problem? just discount the amount of resources that ACU produces for the time that you need to make a factory.
                    also there are maps where you start in water.
                    there are maps where you have "desired" factory position kinda blocked by commander so you need to choose between moving and placing factory in non-cool position
                    That also removes plays where two people could make factory together
                    also that messes with the BO with 1rst pgen
                    and on crazyrush you often start with pgen.
                    on super mass-poor maps you can start with mex

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