Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense

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@keyser said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

the fix got reverted, because it made more games unrated

Well there wasn’t really a fix. The “fix” was to revert the fixes for the games being unrated, therefore making them unrated again 😅.

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@noonecares said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

This whole idea is idiotic.
The fact that you get punished for making a tactically good decision in a strategy game is stupid.
If your opponent over reaches and therefore dies tough luck.

We're way past the idea of punishing people. I argued against it when it was first proposed. Now the plan is just to fix the bug. It's just hard to fix bugs sometimes. You try to fix something and 5 new problems come up.

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@arma473 said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

@noonecares said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

This whole idea is idiotic.
The fact that you get punished for making a tactically good decision in a strategy game is stupid.
If your opponent over reaches and therefore dies tough luck.

We're way past the idea of punishing people. I argued against it when it was first proposed. Now the plan is just to fix the bug. It's just hard to fix bugs sometimes. You try to fix something and 5 new problems come up.

That is not exactly true: if someone knowingly does it you can have it reviewed; if someone does it add does not realize one should not be punished.

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I think this is not something that can be moderated. Instead, we just need to find a reliable fix. Sadly, it is a very time consuming to debug.

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@jip said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

I think this is not something that can be moderated. Instead, we just need to find a reliable fix. Sadly, it is a very time consuming to debug.

It’s already been decided. This thread is over six months old.

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There is nothing in the FAF rules that disallows you from ctrl+k'ing on people.

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@ftxcommando said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

There is nothing in the FAF rules that disallows you from ctrl+k'ing on people.

See above, read the whole thread.

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I see Swkoll saying he would theoretically handle reports and Tex and Resistance saying it shouldn't be bannable. I also see no real arguments for how a ban on it would be enforced but a lot of arguments about why it's just a recipe for issues.

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You’re missing some key points, but the regardless it’s a heavily frowned upon act to use intentionally.

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What key points? You can't make something bannable based on if it is done intentionally, because you can't know for sure if somebody is aware of the bug. Also, if you want to punish people for it, it should really be listed in the official rules.

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it won't be listed in the official rules cause it's not bannable,chill

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I am. I was just replying to Morax that seemed to be under the impression that it is already forbidden. And it not being listed there convinces me of the opposite.

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@rezy-noob said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

it won't be listed in the official rules cause it's not bannable,chill

Purposefully doing it definitely falls under our generic "do not abuse exploits/bugs/loopholes" rule.

E: For clarification, the bug/exploit being that in a draw situation the player who ctrl-k'd gets a "win" even though it should be a "draw".

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I am soo confused at this point

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To clarify, if you ctrl-k your com in a scenario where it makes sense (if the exploit didnt exist) is that considered abuse of an exploit?

Eg your com is about to die and/or lose range of enemy com (with you in a non-winning situation) but enemy com is low enough health that ctrl-k will kill it. Regardless of if the exploit existed ctrl-k is or could reasonably be thought to be the best move. Is that considered abuse of an exploit?

If yes I see that as a serious issue because you’re potentially banning someone for playing the game properly (ie they would play that way whether or not the exploit existed). If it isn’t then I’m confused what scenario would be considered abuse of an exploit.

Another example would be deliberately going for a draw by charging your acu into an acu fight but again that is a legitimate strategy if you don’t think you’ll come out on top long term.

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Ofcourse ctrl-k'ing your acu in that situation is totally fine and part of the game mechanic. Doing so repeatedly on purpose, aka exploiting the current existing bug, is not ok.

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@noonecares said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

I am soo confused at this point

The title of the thread and request is a bit misleading, yes. I will have to write something fresh and lock this thread as it has become quite convoluted.

For starters, a single offense - like any action - should result in a warning rather a ban.

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As far as I can tell from this.
Your moaning about a feature in the game.

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@noonecares said in Make the "Draw Bug" a Bannable Offense:

As far as I can tell from this.
Your moaning about a feature in the game.

It is not a "feature." If you need further explanation of that feel free to contact myself or Giebmasse.