Another Novax conversation
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Perfect balance is checkers. Maybe the fact the pros don't use Novax much maybe means; its not majorly out of balance.
But for the sake of fun and the type of gameplay- I think it needs some upcoming adjustment. Remember:
- Old RAS SCUs?
- Vanilla Telemaeser?
- Vanilla, HARMS with destroyer range, better survivability and dps HARMs?
Those were all "balanced' by the numbers & opportunity cost originally- but because of the type of game-play they generated; they were changed.
Or how about some of the rules we have in the community; like "no building a factory under a dropping transport" - this works amazingly well against drops - but its bannable.
I'm just trying to highlight; from what's been done; its not only about balance & opportunity cost.
Simply put, and to quote another player @Cascade "Sats are Anti-Fun".
And that's why I really think they need a counter. Best of which, in my opinion is a:
- normally "disabled" player toggle
- on the smd to target the sats.
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Or how about some of the rules we have in the community; like "no building a factory under a dropping transport" - this works amazingly well against drops - but its bannable.
Is this actually true? If it is I've suddenly lost a whole lot of faith in FAF because what kind of elementary school BS is this lol.
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@Dorset said in Another Novax conversation:
Or how about some of the rules we have in the community; like "no building a factory under a dropping transport" - this works amazingly well against drops - but its bannable.
Is this actually true? If it is I've suddenly lost a whole lot of faith in FAF because what kind of elementary school BS is this lol.
What are you talking about? This is kind of an exploit and can get you banned?
Imagine you are going to drop some t3 units and your enemy just builds a t1 fac under transport and they insta die -
@Nuggets said in Another Novax conversation:
@Dorset said in Another Novax conversation:
Or how about some of the rules we have in the community; like "no building a factory under a dropping transport" - this works amazingly well against drops - but its bannable.
Is this actually true? If it is I've suddenly lost a whole lot of faith in FAF because what kind of elementary school BS is this lol.
What are you talking about? This is kind of an exploit and can get you banned?
Imagine you are going to drop some t3 units and your enemy just builds a t1 fac under transport and they insta dieNot to get off topic here but I would just say skill issue and that's coming from a 1300. Like seriously... Why drop so close to any builders lol.
Sounds like a rule that came into effect for pro-level players in 1v1 play. I have played 5,000 games in the last 6 years and had no clue this was even possible. Never even come across it until I saw this post. I think I've come across every other situation where someone could exploit and get banned but this one is a new one and I stand by what I said earlier that it's pretty weak lol.
What's next we're not allowed to build t1pd in our base because a mazercom won't be able to telly in there lol.
I can already imagine all the arguments against it in my head (from1.8k+ players only lol) but it all comes back to me thinking it's a cheap elementary rule that shouldn't be in the game but again that's not what the thread is about so I'll stop being off topic. I'm a nobody anyways and my opinion doesn't matter and I'm okay with that
I will however finally read all the bannable offenses because heaven forbid I get banned because I was building a factory in my base for some reason at the same time someone was trying to drop
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@Printer said in Another Novax conversation:
And that's why I really think they need a counter. Best of which, in my opinion is a:
normally "disabled" player toggle
on the smd to target the sats.This is such a powerful counter it's basically removing sats from the game. Every suggestion for the laser sat has been to remove it, that's why I recommend coming up with an actual rework so that Novax isn't a 36k mass artillery piece. Balance team agrees on that direction afaik, so it isn't unrealistic to rework it.
My favorite idea so far is making it have a powerful stun beam for buildings/T4s + less powerful AoE stun for T3/air when the main beam finishes. It would complement fatty, UEF T3 gunship spam, UEF lategame air fights (like how air T4s can help force air fights), Percies, navy, and maybe even UEF artillery since it can stun buildpower or shields idk. -
Keep sat as it is and just allow one per player as upper boundary. (And maybe reduce HP of central a bit OR reduce sat movement speed)
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Novax is really annoying for people because it's an apm and attention tax. The guy with the novax doesn't have to do much to make it do damage but the other guy has to shield a lot of stuff or they ignore it and just rebuild after which is also potentially a lot of actions. Also it is really nice to have when you are trying to kill shields in an arty war and it's highly microable in that scenario. It is very expensive but not enough that you won't see it. It gives a lot of intel as well just as a bonus. The attention tax would matter a lot more at lower and average levels and it's still annoying to deal with at higher levels.
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Another reasonable suggestion imo would be to reduce the travel speed, giving players a longer grace period to react, and also a turret speed reduction, currently the turrect speed is i think above 300 which is crazy fast, reducing turret speed would increase the time it takes to change targets wich is one of the annoying aspects of the novax, being instantly able to switch targets as they become available such as downed shields and engineers ect.
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None of this matters because nothing's going to change and nobody's going to do anything about it so what's the point of talking about it. Time for me to stop reading the forums and just play the game for what it is. Have fun y'all!!
