In contrast to many other people's opinions here. I will say to add it (Yes I am a setoner)
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You do not need to know how to play setons at a high level to play the map. The majority of 4v4 tmm games hit a max rating of 1800. I dont know many setoners that even play 4v4 tmm so it is rare you will even get them in your lobby.
You do not require build orders or expert knowledge of the map.
Its quite simple when you look at it from any skill level. There is water you make navy, there is a land area you make land, there is a back slot with not much else so air and eco. -
Even though there are lots of setons games hosted we host these are nobody else does. I host a fair few 2000+ setons if there are enough high level people online as the map is not featured anywhere else.
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Setons is fucking great at teaching you shit. Yes you can learn how to eco in dual gap however setons teaches tree reclaim and the value of it, teaches you to eco while still maintaining a sizeable army equal to your opponent, and includes all aspects to large respect to each other. You need early land mid, you need navy and you need air, it teaches a vast amount of unit experiance and allows you to experiment and see what works well where.
In the interest that atleast 60% of this community does not understand tree reclaim or proper unit combinations it would be great to help them learn that. -
This can be played as a chill map, a cancer map or as anything it holds soo many options its dumb to exclude it. The vast majority of 4v4 is maps that you can only win playing a certain way. Setons is not like that.
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In relation to what @Jip said - the rating system can't properly represent the skill of players on that specific map. WHEN THE FUCK CAN RATING SYSTEM REPRESENT THE RIGHT SKILL. Take Tagada for example, he will hate me for it but its fact he is currently 2600 global. On setons he is 2200 at best. Other maps he is probably easy 2400. Take a 2000 dual gapper and put him on metir and he will be useless. The rating system cannot predict any correctly to be honest on any map so why bother with this argument on setons.
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Yes setons can last long. This is good though. You have to learn how to properly end the game. Whether that be Paragon, Mavor, Nuke Subs, TML bases, Land invasion, air domination. Half the players especially low level can get to 500 mass income but they dont know how to actually end the game. Setons teaches that.
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Yes it can lag sometimes if you get 2 large navy fights and 500 asf each team on the map. That is no different however to metir, meridia, dual gap.
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The map is one of the few maps not featured anywhere else.
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In relation to @maudlin27 comment: Dont support - the main reason is I think it will lead to an increased likelihood of 'toxic' type behaviour.
People who are familiar with Setons will expect teammates to play a very specific way and seem more likely to get angry if they dont (vs some random 20km map that few people have played).
Some setoners I will happily admit can be a bit insulting sometimes. That is because were often use to 1800 + only lobbies with other people who know the map and understand it. So we insult each other when we play shit.
In no way can you say adding setons to 4v4 tmm will increase toxicity.
There are maybe 4 setoners I know who regularly play tmm and these guys if we get you in setons we will play and advise.
And I mean advise. We will ping saying what to do, make some navy, attack where, get this reclaim.
How is this any different to dual gappers doing the same pinging who is doing what and where to do shit to other players.
In no way will adding Setons to 4v4 tmm increase toxicity. If anything we will love it. More people learn the map, some like it some dont. The ones that do like it will play it more, learn more, grow more then we have more setoners to fill our lobbies.
We will literally help you learn the map so we can have better games.
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The greatest casts and clips of FAF have come from 1v1 games and Setons games. Because thats where the good shit happens. Add it to 4v4 tmm and you will be giving more content to the casters, reviewers, streamers all of them.
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We I think are the only FAF community to have a guy over 60 years old playing and still better than the majority of FAF.
What more evidence do you need of its greatness.
God Bless Mizer.
I rest my case.