Let's talking about HARMS
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I was going to make a new thread, but I see the idea was already floated here: make a dummy unit that sits above HARMS
This unit would only be targetable by units that have sufficient splash damage to hurt the harms underneath
That way, units like battleships would automatically target the HARMS even without player input, and they could easily be given orders to target HARMS. Strat bombers, missile cruisers, etc. would have an easier time killing HARMS without the APM cost.
But obviously it wouldn't be targetable by things like: torpedoes, depth charges, guns with no splash, guns with not enough splash radius
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@arma473 I believe this was tried for a patch. And for a few different varieties of submerged unit.
Other balance ideas:
~ Make it's salvo size smaller. So anti-torpedo is more effective.
~ Make it take mass to shoot, maybe even manual fire or a limited magazine. Like a torpedo TML. So it's effectiveness is partly because of supporting engis reloading it.I like the idea of HARMs, but find them very annoying to counter. Though I must admit that is because I play Dual Gap a lot, and that has essentially the perfect naval funnel there. On other more open maps it is probably less annoying, as it's harder to mass AA around each one.
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In my opinion the only proper solution is that sufficiently submerged units (aka, subs when dived, harms when completed) should not take damage from surface damage. And with that notion, the HARMS should be rebalanced to take that into account.
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@jip Is that so hard to do or why is it still that subs are getting hit by bombs and asf aren't.
I would have thought it would be normal for subs not to get hit and before reading it i would have never assumed they would get damaged.
I always believed this was a design decision, as i didn't expect it to be hard to implement. -
Umm, I'm quite sure ASF can still get hit by bombs and other stuff. They are you know, just high up there in the sky so it's kinda hard to hit them randomly but cases of strat bombs or other stuff hitting asf flying through the air have been documented.
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@e33144211332424 Yeah i know, but why are they so high up and subs not so far below?
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You can groundfire air with anything that has a projectile at the same level as them. Just as subs get groundfired by anything with the aoe to reach their submersion level.
I've had gunships killed by t1 arty, even.
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@ftxcommando Well if you could just direct hit subs it would be fine i guess. I think it's just weird, that they get hit by surface explosions.
Direct hits are a lot harder to intentionally do and a lot rarer to just happen.
But if you could "air fire" your arty, so the shell explodes on asf height, it would probably be quite broken. -
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Pro Gamer Move:
Shoot down a satellite with a tempest, diving the ship mid firing sequence to shoot up.
"It's Balanced" -
Pro Gamer Move:
Shoot down a satellite with a tempest, diving the ship mid firing sequence to shoot up.
"It's Balanced"I don't see the problem, it's the beauty of the simulation... although I think only mavor shells are able to shoot down a sat (or used to?).
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@nex said in Let's talking about HARMS:
@jip Is that so hard to do or why is it still that subs are getting hit by bombs and asf aren't.
I would have thought it would be normal for subs not to get hit and before reading it i would have never assumed they would get damaged.
I always believed this was a design decision, as i didn't expect it to be hard to implement.it is not difficult to do - it is just that I don't have approval of the balance team.
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@jip said in Let's talking about HARMS:
In my opinion the only proper solution is that sufficiently submerged units (aka, subs when dived, harms when completed) should not take damage from surface damage. And with that notion, the HARMS should be rebalanced to take that into account.
100% agreed
