Big props to everyone actually testing out the new experimental ideas and giving constructive feedback!
Many of them will probably not work out and wont make it into the main game but that's what the testing is for afterall.
Adjustment to the reclaim rates
Maybe a dumb question and probably not the right thread for this, but regardless:
Why is the high level 1v1 ladder so dead?
High level team games seem to be doing mostly fine afterall.
Are there some gameplay changes that could make (high level) 1v1 more popular?
@cheeseberry said in Adjustment to the reclaim rates:
Why is the high level 1v1 ladder so dead?
bad gamemode
@cheeseberry said in Adjustment to the reclaim rates:
Are there some gameplay changes that could make (high level) 1v1 more popular?
no rush timer 15 minutes
I think its mainly two things. 1. Mapgen has made teamgames a lot better, so that even custom games are not as BO dependent anymore. 2. Jagged stopped casting 1v1 ladder.
Making high level 1v1 more popular will mostly be dependent on a popular caster/streamer giving it attention. But im hoping the upcoming veto mechanic will help a little bit as well.
Third, making the league system more prominent and changing custom games to unranked casual games would ofcourse help make the matchmakers more relevant in general. But its not clear whether that is worth it.
not saying its a great idea. But the question was how to make 1v1 ladder more popular. This would prob do that.
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I have a question as I've always wondered how this works.
In the numbers you've got there tagada. How does it translate to the various engineers tiers? like is the number you've got there of 20m/s for a wreck based on a t1 engineer. What part of the blueprint affects how much mass an engineer can pull in per second?
@relentless The more build rate = the more reclaim rate. Tech 1 engineers have 5, an ACU with no enhancements has 10 and therefore has double the amount.
---@param self Prop
---@param reclaimer Unit The unit to compute the duration for.
---@return number time it takes to reclaim
---@return number energy to reclaim
---@return number mass to reclaim
GetReclaimCosts = function(self, reclaimer)
local maxMass = self.MaxMassReclaim or 0
local maxEnergy = self.MaxEnergyReclaim or 0
local timeReclaim = self.TimeReclaim or 0
local maxValue = maxMass * 5
if maxEnergy > maxValue then
maxValue = maxEnergy
end
local time = (timeReclaim or 0) * (maxValue / reclaimer:GetBuildRate()) -- <- build rate is used here
time = time / 10
-- prevent division by 0 when the prop has no value
if time < 0 then
time = 0.0001
end
return time, maxEnergy, maxMass
end,
A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned
It is very sad for me that we will lose all legacy of maps like Daroza / The Ditch / Bermuda / Pyramid etc. with that change, and all casts / replays of tourneys will be not as much usefull or enjoable for learning yourself.
Also about team maps like Setons, where BOs are some part of a history. But it will affect only mid and partially rock BO, so not a big deal maybe. But still after change the game review will be different. "Setons whores" will understand me 
I enjoyed spending hours on learning things with currenct gameplay with its dynamic and ideas of reclaim speed.
I accept and understand that on the other hand it opens new gate where new rules will have new effect on competition level. Same as Excelsior and Paradox_of_War, I do not think that change will solve the problems we're trying to solve. And for those who understands and applies it first in a more efficient way, it will be a good advantage.
I like all Jips references to WC3, and as former ladder WC player I can say that there were never changes like gold or lumber mining speed. Yes, units can be balanced, but in general economics and start buildings were always the same for so many years.
It is just my opinion and point of view and I would be happy if I'm mistaken and it such changes (if implemented) will lead us in the end to a better future.
@Tagada I really appreciate the attempt at making auto reclaim work. I'm in no position to judge if these changes break the game or not, but I think the idea behind it is entirely fitting with the original vision behind the game, and if there's a way to also make it good balance-wise, I'm happy someone is trying to find it. Thank you for putting in the effort to give it a chance.
Even independently of auto-reclaim, I'm excited to try this change out, as I think it might shake things up a bit in an interesting way. How and when to fight for big reclaim clumps has always felt like one of the most important aspects of the game, in all it's stages, and I'm very curious to see what impact slower reclaim has.
I've spent the last few days playing with and observing the reclaim rate changes and I really like them, I hope they go in. The economy swings are not so volatile where props are involved.
It didn't seem to give me any more time to interrupt someone from reclaiming all my wrecks from a skirmish I lost though.