The End of FAF
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@nuggets said in The End of FAF:
@evildrew said in The End of FAF:
Lets be real here, the reason people are distracted with renaming limits and other trivial nonsense is they have nothing else to do. They are frustrated that they cant get enough games especially at the higher level (so it is claimed).Therefore they are looking for somewhere to vent that dissatisfaction.
Who needs to read more than that to know he has no clue what he is talking about.
I honestly can't be bothered to write full reply because i have no doubt that you will not understand anything about the current situation.I think the moderation team made a fair argument as to why name changes should be less frequent. If you need something to attack to vent your anger at you should look elsewhere.
Can you please elaborate what the fair argument is? Making the life easier of moderation and (even if in some world you claim this to be trivial) reducing the freedom of players (which was not harmful) is not an argument on any level.
So you are under the delusion to think you have a right to change your username on a database you do not own but willingly registered yourself to at any time and that the entity offering you the service under its terms of service cannot change the terms of service even though it is stated in them that they can.
You can ask to be removed, that right is granted to you under GDPR but no where is it mentioned that you have a right to change your username.You made a real fool out of yourself by grandstanding, saying I have no clue what I am talking about. Maybe try being more lowkey when adults are speaking.
I suggest the mod team should let you change your username in return for paying $25 like on PlanetSide 2. I highly recommend they do that, then you have what you want and they know you will not be changing your name every week, easy.
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The most clown take ever. Bro is completely unaware no one had any issues with frequent name changes for over 10 years.
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@thewreck said in The End of FAF:
The most clown take ever. Bro is completely unaware no one had any issues with frequent name changes for over 10 years.
No one? How do you know this to be true, you just state that like it is fact but you got no proof and even a 7 year old could see how stupid it is for you to claim you know what everyone thought...
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@thewreck said in The End of FAF:
@maudlin27 do not reword what i wrote. I said that high level players do not care about base ctrl k.i said higher level players do not care about the use of these words.this was an extremely dishonest response to what I wrote.
I thought you were arguing base ctrlk should be fine; re-reading though I agree I misread it as it seems you’re just saying it should be fine for higher rated players only and are against removing the rule altogether, so I’ve edited my summation accordingly.
I can’t see where you say only high rated players should be allowed to use insults like retard and nazi though; you complain about mods taking action against their usage and say the community should be able to enforce this on their own. Later on in your post in a separate heading you talk about how FAF rules shouldn’t apply to high level and senior (presumably including high rated) players with lots of games bar some exceptions, but I read this to mean bans for most rule breaches not just bans for insults. I missed this point in my summation though so will also add
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While I do think those words should be universally allowed I am not aware of anyone in the high level community or in the medium rank community that takes issue with it.
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@Evildrew i have actually talked with a lot of players before I wrote this. And I know because I have been here for years and no one ever took issue with it and this is a sentiment shared by the half dozen players I have spoken with and they have also been here for many years.
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@evildrew said in The End of FAF:
So you are under the delusion to think you have a right to change your username on a database you do not own but willingly registered yourself to at any time and that the entity offering you the service under its terms of service cannot change the terms of service even though it is stated in them that they can.
Clearly your dillusion is bigger than i expected.
Yes, as the rename feature exists (since the beginning?), which is a normal feature to have in ANY online community, i do expect my right to rename to exist.
Even talking about ownership is absolutly insane. Just because i do now own something, does not mean i can't be expected to interact with it how the community wishes. Yes, i know "the community" is a term a single person can't really use, but unless one has lost all common sense, i believe everyone knows that a rename feature is a good and expected feature.You can ask to be removed, that right is granted to you under GDPR but no where is it mentioned that you have a right to change your username.
You made a real fool out of yourself by grandstanding, saying I have no clue what I am talking about. Maybe try being more lowkey when adults are speaking.
Wow, got me there! Just claiming the fact that my opinion is childish is the worst argument ever. Its the last thing to say when you can't think of a counter.
I said that you do not know what you are talking about, because you legitimatly do now know why it has come to the descision the other high ranks have made (talking about the posts, leaving faf and so on..). You just said "to vent dissatisfaction". Typical take to "say something bad -> you are just flaming, no complaints allowed"I suggest the mod team should let you change your username in return for paying $25 like on PlanetSide 2. I highly recommend they do that, then you have what you want and they know you will not be changing your name every week, easy.
I know (or also hope) you wrote this in jest. As comparing a company that stands behind planetside 2 to faf is just not possible (do i need to mention common sense?).
You still did not post an actual argument why the moderator descision is legitimate.
If you are saying "they own it, they can do whatever they want"; you are first of all, not even completly correct, and second of all, imagine how ANY company / online community would crash if they do not react to feedback. -
@evildrew said in The End of FAF:
@thewreck said in The End of FAF:
The most clown take ever. Bro is completely unaware no one had any issues with frequent name changes for over 10 years.
No one? How do you know this to be true, you just state that like it is fact but you got no proof and even a 7 year old could see how stupid it is for you to claim you know what everyone thought...
I like how you claim that Wreck has no idea, meanwhile we have actually asked moderators for this information, and the lack of response kind of says it all.
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@thewreck wow 6 people. That’s a massive sample size. Stellar! They should have co-signed then…
So what about the argument then, since we can just proclaim to have rights that are not enumerated anywhere, that if other players know who I am, I should have the right to know who they are, because knowing someones play style gives you an advantage… -
No you don't have that right
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@nuggets said in The End of FAF:
@evildrew said in The End of FAF:
So you are under the delusion to think you have a right to change your username on a database you do not own but willingly registered yourself to at any time and that the entity offering you the service under its terms of service cannot change the terms of service even though it is stated in them that they can.
Clearly your dillusion is bigger than i expected.
Yes, as the rename feature exists (since the beginning?), which is a normal feature to have in ANY online community, i do expect my right to rename to exist.
Even talking about ownership is absolutly insane. Just because i do now own something, does not mean i can't be expected to interact with it how the community wishes. Yes, i know "the community" is a term a single person can't really use, but unless one has lost all common sense, i believe everyone knows that a rename feature is a good and expected feature.You can ask to be removed, that right is granted to you under GDPR but no where is it mentioned that you have a right to change your username.
You made a real fool out of yourself by grandstanding, saying I have no clue what I am talking about. Maybe try being more lowkey when adults are speaking.
Wow, got me there! Just claiming the fact that my opinion is childish is the worst argument ever. Its the last thing to say when you can't think of a counter.
I said that you do not know what you are talking about, because you legitimatly do now know why it has come to the descision the other high ranks have made (talking about the posts, leaving faf and so on..). You just said "to vent dissatisfaction". Typical take to "say something bad -> you are just flaming, no complaints allowed"I suggest the mod team should let you change your username in return for paying $25 like on PlanetSide 2. I highly recommend they do that, then you have what you want and they know you will not be changing your name every week, easy.
I know (or also hope) you wrote this in jest. As comparing a company that stands behind planetside 2 to faf is just not possible (do i need to mention common sense?).
You still did not post an actual argument why the moderator descision is legitimate.
If you are saying "they own it, they can do whatever they want"; you are first of all, not even completly correct, and second of all, imagine how ANY company / online community would crash if they do not react to feedback.Again, read the terms of service. No where is the right to rename guaranteed and the terms may be changed at any time. You agreed to those terms so your whole argumentation is ridiculous. Now stop making a fool out of yourself. If you feel wronged, sue them about it and see what happens…
Unless you can point to something binding in the terms of service that underpins your argument, stop posting nonsensical arguments.
This level of reasoning is the same level applied by the balance team and the reason why the FAF mod is such trash. -
@thewreck said in The End of FAF:
No you don't have that right
Ok I get no special rights but you get the right to speak for everyone including myself when you claim no one ever had an issue with people constantly renaming though you say you only speak for 6 people. Very interesting…
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@thewheelienoob said in The End of FAF:
@ftxcommando xDDDD do you mean the game where my acu exploded in ur base when u were preparing a comdrop?
It's funny because with your perspective a mod might actually ban me for it. In reality, while demotivated, i tried to drop my acu in ur base so that u could help me go t3 and i would comdrop with you. Im guessing a few asf shot me down, i wasnt really looking
If it wasnt that game then i'd like to know which it was
Oh I didn’t know you got shot down I just thought you walked in because the recall failed
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@evildrew said in The End of FAF:
Again, read the terms of service. No where is the right to rename guaranteed and the terms may be changed at any time. You agreed to those terms so your whole argumentation is ridiculous. Now stop making a fool out of yourself. If you feel wronged, sue them about it and see what happens…
Unless you can point to something binding in the terms of service that underpins your argument, stop posting nonsensical arguments.
This level of reasoning is the same level applied by the balance team and the reason why the FAF mod is such trash.Can someone explain to this man that this is not about the terms of service?
EVERYONE knows they can theoretically change that feature. That is not what is being discussed (as i said, you have no clue as to what is going on). I wonder why you do not post this in the rename thread? Please go ahead to farm some more downvotes.
Sorry, but i geniuenly can't be bothered to continue to try to explain the situtaion to someone, who i know will not understand even after 20 more pages of text. -
@maudlin27 said in The End of FAF:
Also while we have you saying FAF is dying because (amongst other reasons) the mods have cracked down on insults, we have the most active thread on the Supcom steam discussion pages prompted by someone saying people should stay away from FAF because (amongst other reasons) the mods do nothing about insults.
You realize that whole thread is people calling the dude a troll and toxic and they're glad FAF isn't following the trends of modern gaming right?
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@Evildrew I will not disclose who helped me with creating the grievances in my post unless they want to.
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@thewreck said in The End of FAF:
@Evildrew I will not disclose who helped me with creating the grievances in my post unless they want to.
I totally get that you are not making that decision for them, you clearly respect their rights to anonymity and to make that decision of outing themselves. Would be nice if you respected other people's rights in the same manner and not speak for the community, which you and these 6 people clearly do not represent when making your claims.
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@ftxcommando your base would be the last i'd blow myself up in
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@thewheeler said in The End of FAF:
@blackyps said in The End of FAF:
I frequently see "there are no other high level players to play against, so it dries up" but when the game was new, nobody was good at all. How did these people manage to push the level of play to heights that nobody had played on before? Why is it not working now?
Honestly, it feels like your skill at games is decided by your genetics.
Some people get to 2k+ level or its equivalent in other games in less than a few years, some players get hardstuck in elo hell at <1500 for literally tens of thousands of games, like they just perform a script, without ever changing it or improving.
we should introduce gaming skill-based eugenicsThat's not necessarily true. I understand the game far better than I can play it and a lot of that comes down to me not being able to use a mouse and keyboard so well because of the state my hands are physically in.
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I never got the feeling that Wreck was trying to speak for me or for the community at large here. By that logic, no one could post any topics of concern anywhere on the forums ever which is obviously something that would be horrible for the community.
Anyway, there are some spectacularly bad takes in this thread now, but there are one or two related points that are interesting to me. Those being: why are there fewer active high rated players, and the related why are the newer high rated players worse than the OGs.
I'll try to tackle both at the same time since they're, imo, closely related. I feel like I've been high rated adjacent for a while now, hovering 1900-2k in both mapgen and setons, and I'm sure I'd get to about the same in 3v3 and 4v4 tmm if I actually played them. My personal top two blockers for improving are: it takes far more effort for me at this point than I'm willing to put in and even when I was more active I could barely play with top players due to my timezone. The latter is getting worse as fewer and fewer top players are active, and due to rating inflation there are arguably worse players at 2k now than in the past. Some might even argue I'm one of them
It's hard for me to say, but imo the last point is slightly overblown outside of a few niche areas. Not going to name names, but I can think of more than one person who has massive rating inflation because they have one or two troll strategies that consistently win vs the 1300s they play vs but get wrecked vs competent 1800+ rated players. This is more of a thing in burger Setons or presumably gap as well rather than mapgen though, where there are few if any high rated players keeping this in check. For example, when Yudi was active in these games this rating inflation was much less severe. Due to that last bit, I don't think I see this quite as much in more generic team games. Granted, I also haven't played in 6 months, but I'd be surprised if the average 2k in those games are very noticeably worse than 2ks from 5 years ago. It might just be rose tinted glasses for the past making it feel that way.
Back to the first point about fewer top players, I just think most 2ks are like myself - don't have the interest or drive to keep improving at this point because there's so little competition and then there are a tiny amount of people like Farms who are far above the random 2ks. Imo it's hard to improve when you're already the best in most of the lobbies that you play in unless you put in a lot of work outside of it, so those who aren't playing with the handful of top players right now are going to be pretty stuck.
How to fix this? Honestly I don't have great ideas there, only two things come to mind and both are related to 1v1 ladder, since I think the death of higher rated ladder play is a very large part of this.
- Bring back the feature from the python client that tells you when someone your rank is queuing ladder. People have been asking for this forever, and it feels like such an uncontroversial and low hanging fruit to achieve.
- Throw even more money at it. Top active ladder players get a cash prize each season if eligible. More tournaments. Even bigger LoTS prizes, though iirc last years was quite large so probably not much can be done there. Let former top players know that these prizes exist and that there's more competition. I think the ship has sailed with most of them, but who knows? This also might incentives some current ~1800+ players to improve.
Again, particularly the 2nd idea, isn't the best idea. It's just what I have off the cuff.
Hopefully my stream of consciousness rambling makes at least some amount of sense and people don't think I'm way off
